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Have a question about making bread? Sourdough? Babies? Ask the Bread Doctor. (That's me, your faithful author, dummy!)




size
How much should a cooked roll weigh?

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Banana Bread Baking
Why is my banana bread cooked on one side and only partly cooked on the other? Thanks

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rough top
can banana bread come out with a rough top? or does it always have to be smooth? please answer this question. thank you

Dear Reader:
Are all these questions about banana bread coming from the same person? Please, I beg you, no more &$%!@ questions about banana bread!!!

bread dough falls a bit while waiting to preheat
Hello. I've been baking my own simple white bread for a few weeks now. I am having a blast! I have noticed lately though, that when I take the raised dough out of the oven for the 10 mins it takes to preheat it, they tend to fall. It's like a cold breeze hit them. How can I avoid this? They look perfect until I have to preheat! Then they come out looking a bit deflated. Help! Thanks... greentoothlouie@yahoo.com

Dear Reader:
Hey Greentooth (and I don't want to know how you got that moniker) what on earth on your doing? Putting your dough in the oven while preheating it?? That's dough abuse! Even simple white breads will benefit from a long, cool fermentation and rise. (And it won't collapse) Suggest you read 52 Loaves for more info.

Holes in the middle
I've been successfully baking bread for a short while but when I cut today's batch one loaf had large holes in the middle and the other had less holes and they were smaller. Any ideas?

Dear Reader:
Congratulations! I spent an entire year trying to get gas holes in my bread! What's your secret??

storing a boule
what is the proper way to store a sourdough boule to keep it fresh?

Dear Reader:
Cut side down on a breadboard. If storing for longer than a couple of days, then store in a linen or paper bag.

baking bread
what is the exact quantity of yeast,sugar,salt,oil,butter and water to mix 50kg flour.what are d steps to take in the mixing procedure.

Dear Reader:
Um, that's handful of a question,and I think you'd be better off consulting a commercial bakery (which is where you'd have to bake that kind of quantity) rather than a home baker like myself. Good luck.

Yeasty smell in bread
could you please tell me why my 100% whole wheat bread smells yeasty when sliced ? also any advise how i can avoid this please? Thank you for your help

Dear Reader:
Well, most people like a faintly yeasty smell -- it's the smell of homemade bread. Assuming you're not using a sourdough starter, though, I'm not sure where it would be coming from. Sorry, I'm stumped...

baking bread
i put bread pan on bottom rack and will not brown the bottom of loaf ,what can i try?

Dear Reader:
Why not try a free-form artisan loaf on a stone instead. You'll get a much better crust all around. See my book, 52 Loaves, for details.

color
my italian bread taste great in my opinion but has a slight grey tint inside and when I compare to the bakery near my house the inside of there's is completely white is it because im using dry yeast not wet or something else?

Dear Reader:
The completely white interior is not something you should be aspiring to. That is a sign the oxidation has robbed the bread of its beta-carotids and flavor. You dough should have more of a creamy color to it. I've never seen bread that it gray, but, but it is most likely due to the flour you're using, not the dry yeast.

Further reading
You list quite a few books in the back of yours, i.e. A Baker's Bookshelf. Please recommend 2 or 3 of these that would be a good place to start for a beginning baker.

Dear Reader:
If I were only going to own one bread book, it would the Reinhart's "The Bread-Baker's Apprentice." After that, I like Leader's "Local Breads" as well as his latest book, "Simply Great Breads" which has a great yeasted doughnut recipe (see my blog for photos and comments).

liquid levain
I added a 1/4 teas. of instant yeast to my liquid levian after I fed it to get ready to make a french boule, is this a absolute no no?

Dear Reader:
In time, the commercial yeasts will eventually overwhelm the wild ones. Besides, it's probably unnecessary. I would suggest that you keep your levain pure and instead and touch of yeast to the dough (I add 1/8 teas.) if you need to give a little more pop.

courseness of bread
Why does my bread come out so course.

Dear Reader:
Well, coarseness is relative. If you're used to commercial bread, homemade bread will have a little bite to it by comparison. But most people say that's a good thing. If you making whole wheat bread, and it's too coarse, substitute some white flour for the ww.

Backyard bread.
I know your recipe includes rye flour & farine compl`ete but what is the recipe for the bread that you made in your backyard oven? I'm sure that you added malt but how much? I would also like to grind my own wheat to make bread.

Dear Reader:
Farine complet and malt...are you French? If you're baking in the US, flour already has malt in it. I never did add malt to the French flour, and found with the levain that I didn't need it, so I don't know how much to add if you're using French flour. Not much, though, just a few grams. As far as a recipe, I just use the Peasant Bread recipe on my website. Good luck!

pot boule crust isnt crunchy
I have made boule once and it came out amazing, perfect in my eyes. The top wasnt too crunchy but the bottom was and it was perfect. This time using the same recipe the crust came out soft, still delicious but missing that extra oomph. Any suggestions?

Dear Reader:
Could be a couple of things. The first, that you put too much water (steam) into the oven is unlikely. The second is that the temperature was too low to guarantee a crisp crust. But I like to preheat my oven to 550, then turn it down to 480 when I put the bread in, and then turn down to 450 after the crust has browned, and I usually get a pretty crisp crust. Also, make sure you don't take it out too soon. Don't fear dark mahogany. Good luck!

sour dough
Why does my sour dough get wet and spread out instead of rising.

Dear Reader:
If it's spreading out too much on the baking stone, your only option is to use less water. Also, try to get it into the oven ASAP. The heat will quickly stabilize it.

Bread recipe
I'm a large scale bread producer, I want to increase my variants, could you please do me two different recipes for 50kg of flour each? Thanks.

Dear Reader:
You're way out of my league, pal (I don't go through that much flour in a year), but I suspect you could take any of my recipes (see "Recipes" menu option) and scale them to 50kg.

levain
How often do you need to feed your levain?

Dear Reader:
I keep mine in the fridge and feed weekly.

bread
why does my bread fall when i take it out of the pan

Dear Reader:
Please check the previous posts -- this question has been asked multiple times (some I've given multiple reasons!)

writing on bread
How to put 2012 on a round loaf before baking

Dear Reader:
Easy: make a stencil out of, say, wax paper, with 2012 cut out. Just before putting the loaf in the oven, place the stencil over the loaf and dust heavily with flour: rice flour if you want the writing to be light; regular flour if you want it to be dark. Good luck!

pizza dough
what can i do to make my pizza dough stop tasting like beer

Dear Reader:
Funny you should ask. I'm fermenting pizza dough for dinner tonight as we speak. I have a wonderful recipe for pizza on this website under "recipes", and more on why your dough is tasting like beer in the book, 52 Loaves.

moist bread
I bought a loaf of bread & when I cut it I found that it's soft & alittle moist in the middle - what does this mean?

Dear Reader:
It means you should be baking your own! (You might start by reading "52 Loaves")

Amish Friendship bread
How can I cook my amish friendship bread without having to add to it and starting 4 new starter bags. I'm tired of it plus I'm starting a new diet. :) Instead of adding the ingredients required before I take the 4 cups out, can I just skip that and do the remainder of the recipe? Thanks!

Dear Reader:
Oh, my goodness... you making Friendship Bread. You really, really out to read the chapter "With Friends Like This..." from 52 Loaves to learn about my nightmare experience with it!

science question
what is the temperature for bread in the refrigerator

Dear Reader:
Not sure I understand the question, but, as I explain in 52 Loaves, bread should never be stored in the fridge. It actually goes stale quicker than if left out (I explain why in the book...)

bake-off bread packaging
what is the reason of squashing of bake-off bread after packaging? and ho do we prevent it? thanks

Dear Reader:
Sorry, I don't understand the question, but I'm home baker. My breads are never packaged.

Banana Nut Bread
I made a new recipe of banana nut bread for my son last night. I stayed up late and thought I probably misgauged something. Sent my husband today, to re-buy baking powder, bananas and nuts. Baking soda was unopened, and everything else was fresh. Needless to say, I spent a couple of hours on the Internet trying to find all I could about banana nut bread, although I have used different recipes the past 20 years and never had this problem. So I started again, much earlier this time, checked and double checked my measurements, did the wet ingredients to the dry, stirred just enough to moisten, put promptly in oven and did not open until forty five minutes. Bread was really brown on top, put foil over and set oven for 15 minutes more. That was an hour and it did not move, Yah! Not? As soon as I took out, both loafs fell completely though, leaving a gaping, and I do mean gaping hole in each. I can't blame it on anything but the recipe, and it sounded so good!! Needless to say, I had to slice at each end and put in a container that said; Karl, put on plate and use fork, as it is very buttery and moist, and threatened my husband with death if he told him. I just don't get it, I tried so hard, as my son had said I made the best banana nut bread ever, he's 26, and I know he'll see though the ruse. Here's the recipe, please tell if it is fixable, or should I just give up on this one, and try another one??? Ingredients 2 cups all-purpose flour 1 teaspoon salt 2 teaspoons baking soda 1 cup butter or margarine 2 cups white sugar 2 cups mashed overripe bananas 4 eggs, beaten 1 cup chopped walnuts Directions 1.Preheat the oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C). Grease and flour two 9x5 inch loaf pans. 2.Sift the flour, salt and baking soda into a large bowl. In a separate bowl, mix together the butter or margarine and sugar until smooth. Stir in the bananas, eggs, and walnuts until well blended. Pour the wet ingredients into the dry mixture, and stir just until blended. Divide the batter evenly between the two loaf pans. 3.Bake for 60 to 70 minutes in the preheated oven, until a knife inserted into the crown of the loaf comes out clean. Let the loaves cool in the pans for at least 5 minutes, then turn out onto a cooling rack, and cool completely. Wrap in aluminum foil to keep in the moisture. Ideally, refrigerate the loaves for 2 hours or more before serving. PS this had 11,114 reviews and more than 17,000 saves. Help!!

Dear Reader:
Hard to say, but recipes that use baking soda as a leavening usually need an acidic ingredient (e.g., buttermilk). Some recipes call for both baking soda *and* baking powder for that reason. Good luck!

tearing of bread dough
how to prevent tearing(separation}that occurs during baking

Dear Reader:
Easy-- you have to make what the French call a grigne, or a slash, with a lame (sharp blade). I have a whole chapter on this is my book, "52 Loaves." (yes, there's enough on this for a whole chapter)

For Real?
Dear Author: Thanks for providing insights to the quest I have had (that perfect loaf!). Can't wait to try to start my levain. Living in Yakima (Paxton's home, no less) we have apples, pears, and grapes aplenty. I was pleased to see you already answered my question about washing the fruit before using it for bread creation. My one remaining question, though, may be more about "babies" (figuratively). How the heck did you have time to do your research, bake, travel, and hold down your day job? Cheers from the Great Northwe(s)t.

Dear Reader:
For the uninitiated, Paxton is the guy who invented the Kwik Lok tab that is found on almost every loaf of packaged bread sold in the world. How do I find the time? Good question, but at the moment I'm working at my day job half time while I finish the first draft of my next book -- about learning French at "my age". Hope it'll be out in 2013

bread crust
why does the bread crust fall off my bread machine loaf?

Dear Reader:
Um, because you're making bread in a machine? Read "52 Loaves" and learn how easy it is to make *real* bread. And I guarantee my crust won't fall off.

banana bread
why doesn't my banana bread get done in the middle

Dear Reader:
This question has been asked several times. Please check the list and what conflicting answers I've already given!

bread falls
What would make gluten free bread fall after removing from oven? It looked done but still fell.

Dear Reader:
If it is cooked throught the culprit is often too much yeast, which causes an unsupportable rise. I discuss some low-yeast, natural starter recipes in "52 Loaves" that are guaranteed not to collapse.

Dry wheat rolls
I want to serve some wheat rolls that are just a little dry- is there a way to make them moist again?

Dear Reader:
Other than lots of butter, I'd think not, but if you warm them, they'll be more palatable.

gluten free bread
I made buns today and they fell. The outside was cooked, almost overcooked, but when I took them out of the oven they fell. What did I do wrong? I used a mixer to mix them, not a breadmaker.

Dear Reader:
Possibly too much yeast or too long a rise, leaving noting to support them

Fell before the oven
After letting my dough for white bread rise the second time, it fell before it went into the oven. Is it possible to get it to rise again before it hits the oven?

Dear Reader:
Possibly. Fold the loaf a few times back onto itself to expose some fresh dough to the yeast, and try to do a 3rd rise of about an hour or so.

Ethanol in breed
What does ethanol have to do with the smell of breed?

Dear Reader:
In the cooked loaf, not much. Much what makes bread rise is *fermentation* thus an slight ethanol smell is normal.

refreshing levain, and scoring baguettes
Hello again from Denver - first just to thank you so much for your amazing book (and for this bread doctor site)! It has completely transformed my bread-making. I'm consistently making bread that's better than I've ever made. I'm eternally grateful (and so is my family - we're eating lots of bread these days)! I have 2 more questions for you... 1) I bought one of Peter Reinhart's books as you recommended in your "bookshelf" section. He says that when you refresh levain, you should always at least double it, if not triple or quadruple. But using your recipes I end up doing much less than a complete doubling. Your thoughts? 2) I've been making lots of baguettes and trying different scoring methods with a lame. The best seems to be 2 almost vertical, overlapping lines down the baguettes. But often when I bake them, after the first 5 minutes they've opened up nicely...just like in the pictures...but by the time the baguettes are done, a big bubble of crust has pushed through the score mark and it looks weird. Still tastes great, but do you have any suggestions?

Dear Reader:
Hello Denver. Thanks for your kind words. As for your questions: 1)I have the utmost respect for Peter, but I don't know here if he's talking about a regular feeding or refreshing a tired levain. In fact, once in a while when my levain starts looking a little wimpy I'll discard most of it and give it a good feeding (maybe 2:1 new to old). Other bakers I know caution against overfeeding, so what's a home baker to do? The bottom line is, is your levain healthy now? If it is, keep doing what you're doing; if not, feed more aggressively. 2) Never had that problem but I've seen it in purchased loaves. scoring more deeply may help. With smallish baguettes I like to do a single angled score down the middle, holding the lame at about a 60 degree angle to the bread, which gives you a nice "cresting wave" effect. Hope this helps.

Alcohol as a mold inhibitor
The use of sprayed alcohol on the top of the loaf bread is effective to prevent mold issues? if so is necessary included in the label (I live in USA. Thanks

Dear Reader:
I've never heard of this being done, and, sorry, I'm not an expert on FDA labeling regulations.

Tearing bred loaves
Why does our bread tear along one side while baking?

Dear Reader:
I suspect because you're not slashing to the top, which allows the steam to escape with exploding the loaf. I have a chapter on swallowed razors, exploding loaves and using a "lame" as the French call it, in "52 Loaves"

cinnamon french toast
i baked a cinncamon french toast using pillsbury cinnamon bread, but its underbaked inside on 375 degrees, the crust on top is golden brown.

Dear Reader:
There's a wonderful recipe for French toast on my blog (see link on menu above)using leftover baguettes. Suggest you try that and make authentic French toast instead!

Oven cannot go above 225 C
I am an American expatriate living in Shanghai. What can I do to compensate for my little ovens lack of heat?

Dear Reader:
That's 437 F. Yes, a little low for bread, but it shouldn't stop you. Suggest you stick with thinner loaves, like baguettes or batards, and you can try to spritz the loaf with water before putting the loaf in the oven to develop a crust. Good luck, and enjoy Shanghai!

pumpkin bread
why pumpkin loaf won't cook in the middle?

Dear Reader:
Well, I'm really a yeast bread guy, but I'd say you need to cook it longer. If that makes the crust burn, then once the bread has finished it's oven rise, you can loosely cover the top with some foil.

Inside ot a loaf of bread is called?
What do you call the middle bit of a loaf of bread, outside is the crust, what is called the inside? thank you.

Dear Reader:
The crumb. You can learn more than you ever thought you wanted to know about the crumb from "52 Loaves: A Half-Baked Adventure".

where I can find levain
do you know I can find levain

Dear Reader:
Make your own! It's easy and fun and gives you a real locovare levain. Suggest you read "52 Loaves" to see how I made mine. (Click above on "buy")

Liquid Levain
I am starting a liquid levain may I use sugar in the levain to get it started fermenting faster?

Dear Reader:
I've heard of some people adding a pinch of sugar, but if you're following my apple starter recipe, it's not necessary. The natural sugars in the apple are more than sufficient to get the thinking rolling. Good luck!

Fermented tasting rolls
I received a starter from a friend and the first batch of rolls I made were wonderful. The second batch smell and taste fermented (alcoholish). I used white wheat flour would that make a difference? What can I do to get back the sweet rolls.

Dear Reader:
Hmmm. Not sure why white wheat flour woiuld make them more alcoholish, but of course using whole wheat flour is going to change the taste and texture of any bread. iscard most of youro back to feeding your starter (generously) with white flour, and it will get back to normal in a couple of feedings. Good luck!

Cheese cloth as a baker's couche
Is it ok to use cheesecloth as my baker's couche?

Dear Reader:
I've never tried it, but I suspect the dough would stick badly, and the cloth is too flimsy to hold its shape. A better alternative is parchment paper.

rising bread
I make homemade bred and the recipe calls for it to rise twice. On the second rise I fell asleep and did not cook till the next morning, is it still good to eat?

Dear Reader:
If you mean, is it safe to eat, most likely, but you know, I'm only a "bread doctor," not an actual doctor or scientist, so I cannot really dispense advice of this nature.

alcohol smell
what makes bread smell llike alcohol?

Dear Reader:
The same thing that makes beer and wine smell like alcohol: fermentation, which is also what makes bread rise. I have a lot of interesting info on this process in my book, "52 Loaves."

My roll dough tastes too fermented
Let my roll dough rise and when it came time to shape and rise again it smelled pretty fermented, fresh yeast package open. Is this normal?? I don't like the yeasty/fermented taste so much. TY!

Dear Reader:
Yes, it's perfectly normal (and, in my opinion, wonderful). But the real question is, how did the rolls taste?

can I re bake under baked bread
i made home made nut bread and it looked done but as i sliced into it the next day it was under baked in the center can i fix this by re baking it for a short timeand if so How do i go about this?

Dear Reader:
Nope. Too late. But an instant-read thermometer is almost indispensable for baking. You can get an inexpensive one that I like here.

crust doesn't look smooth
I love baking bread,but when i loaf them,thats fine,but when its baked and ready to come out of oven,its looks like I just threw it in,its all clumpy on the top,which the bottom comes out and leaves that clumpy look not nice looking bread.

Dear Reader:
A couple of things could be going, on, but it sounds like the bread may over-rising, then collapsing a bit in the oven. You might want to take a look at my methods (see "52 Loaves"), which involved very little yeast, and long, slow rises. My breads never get dimpled or collapse. Good luck.

Quantity baking, overnight method.
Can you suggest a good recipe for an overnight rising method bread which will make 5 or 6 loaves? White is OK, but I grind my own flour and would like to use it as well. Thanks! Molly Baker

Dear Reader:
Molly, I faced exactly this problem when having to feed an abbey of 30 monks. The recipe for my Pain d'Abbaye is in my book, "52 Loaves". It uses a mix of white, whole wheat, and rye. I also discuss growing and grinding my own flour. Good luck!

my jula kake crust burns
we were makinfg jula kaka bread and it said to bake for 50 min at 375 and at about 35 to 40 min in the bread on the inside was perfect but the crust on top and some of the sides were starting burn any ideas

Dear Reader:
Sorry, I'm not familiar with jula kaka bread, but check your oven thermostat with a good thermometer. I'll bet it's running hot. Also, if if it's a sweet bread the crust is more likely to burn and you may need to cover it for part of the baking.

Forgot to proof
How do I save my dough when I forgot to proof my yeast?

Dear Reader:
You don't need to proof yeast these days. That was done back when yeast was unreliable and the reason for proofing was to "prove" the yeast was good. In fact, if you are using instant yeast, manufacturers advise against proofing.

Yeast
I was an ardent bread maker yrs ago and just returned to this wonderful hobby- BUT Fleiscmans-my old standby- and Red Star do not seem to make h esame wonderful yeasty smelling bread. the rises etc are fine-just the smell is gone. is it the architecture of the house? my nose?

Dear Reader:
The turning point in my bread-making was when I began using a stater aka sourdough aka levain, of wild yeast. This web site has brief instructions on making your own (easy!) and more details on in 52 Loaves. Good luck!

bread top splits on side
why does my bread split

Dear Reader:
Are you scoring the top just before baking? All that steam needs to go *somewhere*. I have a whole chapter on this in the book, in fact!

bread no oil
Dr. Edelstyn requires the use of bread with no oil? Unable to find ?

Dear Reader:
Basic bread has only 4 ingredients: flour, water, yeast, and salt. If you can't find a market that carries an artisan bread without oil, make your own (read 52 Loaves). You'll be amazed at how good it is.

Banana Bread
My batter is too stiff I think, what do i do, before baking it?

Dear Reader:
Add more liquid.

bread in ear
if bread crust enters somebody's ear does the person need to worry

Dear Reader:
Depends... let's play 20 Questions: is the piece is bigger than a breadbox? Actually, there is a much bigger threat of something in bread that can get lodged in you -- read "52 Loaves" to find out what.

Bread conservatives
Would you happen to have what kinds of conservatives do they put in black,buttermilk and 12 grains types of bread?

Dear Reader:
I don't, but if you're writing from the US,it is required to be printed on the label. If you're speaking of a local bakery, probably none...but ask.

Storage Container Suggestions?
Hi there, we've got the levain going well. Trying to choose a storage container. Looking for : glass, ceramic, plastic? I imagine 1 - 1/2 liters with wide mouth? Glass / ceramic more sanitary than plastic? Any brand names you can hint at? Look forward to your reply! Thanks, Chris and Jeff

Dear Reader:
It don't matter too much, really. Professional baker Charlie van Over keeps his in an old (plastic) restaurant-sized creme fraiche container. I bought a 5-dollar hard plastic container at Kmart. Round or square, plastic or glass, it's a personal choice. Just make sure it has a lid that closes tightly and scrape down the sides with a spatula after using it.

cracks on top of banana bread
when my banana bread is done it has lots of cracks on the top, why?

Dear Reader:
I'm more a yeast-bread guy, but my wife says it's perfectly normal, and adds "if it tastes good, who cares?"

Loaves won't get done in middle
How do I get my pumpkin loaves to bake all the way through??

Dear Reader:
Bake the bread as long as you dare, then turn the oven off and let the loaf sit there for another 20 minutes. Pumpkin muffins are great, btw, and you don't ever have that problem.

Falling bread
What can I do to keep my freshly baked bread from falling when I take it out of the over

Dear Reader:
Sounds like it's over-rising. Reduce the yeast. Suggest that, if you haven't, you read 52 Loaves, which has techniques for nicely risen bread with very little yeast. Good luck!

bread crust
why does my crust have dimples instead of being smooth?

Dear Reader:
Because it's cute? Oh, sorry, you expected a real answer. I think you're either over-proofing the dough or using too much yeast, thus the crumb is collapsing in the oven. Some blistering or, conversely, depressions are normal, however, and don't affect the taste.

french bread
I started to make french bread from "yo Izzy's" recipe. it turns out pretty good while a little pale when done. Problem: it crumbles, especially on the oustide. I brush it with whipped egg white and throw a few ice cubes in the oven when it bakes at 400. What to do? I am very french and miss the good ol' crispy baguettes with air pockets. Thank you, Michele

Dear Reader:
You're French and you brushing the crust with whipped egg?? Really! Don't know "yo Izzy" but suggest you read 52 Loaves and try my techniques. One bite and you'll think you back on the Champs-Elysees.

follow-up to sponge question
What about the yeast specified in the sponge recipe - can I just leave that out when substituting the levain, or should I add some yeast also (and how much compared to the sponge recipe)? Thanks!

Dear Reader:
Most sponges have just a bit of yeast, say a quarter teaspoon, so I'd say you can leave it out of the sponge. Start with that as the default. You may even need to cut back on the yeast in the dough. Contrary to conventional wisdom, it's better to have too little yeast than too much. But there are so many variables here -- how much levain are you adding, how much yeast was in the sponge, how much in the dough, that it's hard to say from where here. Close your eyes, Luke, and just feel the force.

substituting levain in sponge recipes
Hi again from Denver. I've made the baguettes now (several times) and they are great! Also have been trying recipes from other books that call for a starter, and now I'm wondering if I can substitute levain when a recipe calls for a sponge starter, and if so how do I figure out how much to use? Do I just water down the levain to sponge consistency or ??? Thanks so much, I am really enjoying the process!

Dear Reader:
Hi, Denver. Yes you absolutely can, but don't try to imitate the recipes steps of first doing a sponge, etc., as you already *have* a pre-ferment in the form of your levain. Instead, if the recipe calls for, say, a sponge with 100 g of flour and 200 g water, simply use 200 g of leavin in your dough (to get the 100 g of flour called for), and add another 100 g of water, so that you end up with 100g of flour and 200 g of water, keeping the final hydration the same. Hope that's clear...

refrigerator dough starter not bubbling
Can I add another packet of yeast that has been softned in water to my starter now?

Dear Reader:
You can, but it will no longer be a wild yeast starter. Instead, I would discard some of it, feed with flour and water, and let it sit on the counter for a few hours. If it doesn't start showing some life, it's dead, and you should build a new starter.

Bread
Is it safe to leave bread dough out overnIgnt to rise?

Dear Reader:
It's safe in a food safety sense but, depending on your formula the room, that may be too long a rise.

Bread tastes a little too sour and yeasty.
Hi, I am baking a basic artisan bread (just flour, yeast, salt, water; mix and let rest for 18 hours) and the bread has a yeasty/sour taste to it. It is not a sourdough taste, which I like. Any thoughts?

Dear Reader:
You need to use a starter, or levain, to get that sourdough taste. Suggest you read my book, "52 Loaves" for the "why" and for instructions on building one. Good luck!

my homemade white yeast is gummy why?
My homebread looks beautiful and the nextday it goes gummy what is the problem not using enough flour or using to much water when making it by hand

Dear Reader:
If I had to guess I'd say you're underbaking. Don't be afraid to let a good dark crust form. When you think it's done (205-210 degrees in center), leave it oven another 20 minutes with oven turned off and door ajar. Good luck!

singing!
My loaves have started singing since I read the recipes in your book! I didn't think it was possible in a home oven, but apparently I just needed to preheat my baking stone for ~1 hour instead of just 20 minutes. Thanks!

Dear Reader:
Congratulations! Your note is music to my ears!

Levain and again....
Hello, again, Doctor! Dr. Frankenstein, back with more: I just finished reading your book again, and can't thank you enough for making all the mistakes for us and learning so much and then passing it on. My first loaf was not a complete failurein fact, a dinner guest told me (after I had given them my book report on "52 Loaves"), that it while it wasn't a 52nd week loaf, it was at least in the middle thirties! Praise, indeed! My latest loaf is much, much better, but still with room for improvement. Again, thanks for all your guidance. Here's my question: if I want to build my levain, that is make it larger (perhaps to give some away&) how much flour/water am I safe just adding to it? I imagine if I add way too much, I'll just have watery flour&. Is there a recommended ratio not to exceed?

Dear Reader:
Hello, mein pupil! You are correct, overfeeding will kill your creation. The general rule of thumb is that you should never feed it more than its current weight. So if weighs 1400 grams you could feed with up to 700 g each water and flour. I tend to be a little more conservative, myself. But even if you feed with, say, half it's weight every couple of days, you can build it up rather rapidly. Remember to leave it out on the counter for a few hours after each feeding. And clean the container once in a while, too, to keep your monster happy.

homemade bread hard
why isn't my homemade rolls remain soft after baking? within a hour after baking they are semi hard. How do I keep them soft?

Dear Reader:
I'm assuming you're referring to the crust. I happen to like a little crunch to my crust, but you want to keep it soft, take a look at these ideas

Why does the bread taste spicy hot?
I'm so glad to find your blog. I just started experimenting with 5 minute bread recipes. I love the rich flavor that comes from letting it rest in the fridge for a day or two. Recently I let the batch of whole wheat dough it sit out too long before putting it away. So it was a bit spent and didn't rise very much. The loaf had a nice crust and the crumb was airy. But it turned out spicy to the tongue, in fact burned like hot chili peppers. What kind of reaction would have caused that? Has this come up before? Thanks for your insight.

Dear Reader:
Wow, that's a wild one. I can't imagine. I've done quite a bit of research into the chemistry of fermentation, but don't recall ever reading about a reaction that produces spiciness. I assuming there was nothing in the dough that could account for that. Sorry I can't be of more help.

how much should a loaf of bread weight
how much should a loaf of bread weight when put in the pan

Dear Reader:
Is this a riddle? There's no "correct" answer, but whatever weight it starts out with, you can expect to lose about 30% to evaporation. Suggest you read "52 Loaves" to learn more!

o pão
oque acontece com o pão na água durante 2 dias ?

Dear Reader:
Desculpe, eu não entendi a pergunta.

crush too hard
Why the crush of my bread too hard?

Dear Reader:
Try getting plenty of steam into the oven when putting in the bread. I pour a cup or more of water into a cast iron pan that I keep on a shelf below the bread. (Wear an oven mitt and be careful or use ice cubes). Over-cooking can also contribute to a hard crust. Good luck!

Rising process for bread.
Please, what is the best time to leave a bread dough to rise? Also what is the required / best temperature for the rising? And lastly, are there any effects in leaving a bread too long for rising? Thanks

Dear Reader:
Bread uses two rises, an initial fermentation plus the second rise, or proofing. I like cool, long fermentations and shorter proofs. If you look at my recipe section on this website you see more details. Or even better, read 52 Loaves for all the science and "why" behind it.

Bread making business
What are the risks foresee in bread making business

Dear Reader:
Fortunately, I'm only an amateur baker, so I'm not the one to answer your question. But I suggest you join the Bread Bakers Guild of America (bbga.org)if you're considering it. You'll get plenty of advice on their forum!

Son of Frankenstein?
Hello, there again, Doctor! I have my first loaf of peasant bread in the oven e'en as we speak (or as I write). I hope I didn't jinx myself by baking bread (and my first loaf of this kind, no less) on the Day of the Dead! I think all went well until forming the loaf. Perhaps I didn't press it before trying to form a boule: is that the problem? I would have rather formed a batard, but in any case, it didn't want to hold shape, and would just try to ablate to something more like a miche. Is that the consistency it *should* have? Though it stuck to the peel a little, with some ingenious prodding, I got it on to the stone, and then poured water into the cast iron skillet on the floor of the oven&with just enough nerves to ensure that I'd douse the pilot light! I got in there to administer what I hope is the spark of life. Here's hoping. Though it's Compline, I could sure use a Vesper (martini). Incidentally, I have just recently learned that my wife has a bun in the oven. Do you think this is a coincidence? Yours yeastily, Dr Frankenstein (Dougfred).

Dear Reader:
Dear Son, Always a delight to hear from you. Yes, it's sounds like your dough is a bit too wet. It should hold its shape Interesting question about the bun in the oven, as there is a relationship between the French word for oven (four) and womb, although I can't come up with it at the moment. But congratulations nevertheless! (on the baby, not your lousy bread)

all-purpose flour vs bread flour
Hello from Denver! I loved your book (as well as The $64 Tomato), and last week I made the levain and then the peasant bread. It was the best bread I've ever made - tasted wonderful and looked beautiful as well. Thanks so much!! This weekend I'm going to try the baguettes, and I'm wondering why the recipe calls for all-purpose flour and not bread flour. I thought bread flour would have more gluten and rise better? - Miriam

Dear Reader:
Thanks for your kind words about the book. Yes, bread flour has more protein (which becomes gluten), but I find it has too much, which can actually inhibit a rise. In France, they use much softer flour, btw. But it also depends on the brand. The King Arthur all-purpose flour I use has almost the protein level of other bread flours.

Second rise of bread is disappointing
Hi, while the first rise of my baguettes is exactly what it should be, the second rise disappoints and I end up with a smaller, more condensed loaf. This happens to me consistently, any suggestions? Thanks

Dear Reader:
A couple of things could be going on. Your second rise could be too long (often, a half hour suffices for baguettes), or the fermentation too long. Also, make sure you gently press out some of the gas as your form the loaves for the second rise, to give the yeast another kick. Good luck!

Bread smelling after 2 days.
The bread happen to be fine at first, then after 2 days, it starts smelling alcohol. It still looks normal, except the smell. Please whats is the solution to this?

Dear Reader:
Hmm... I'm not familiar that phenomenon. The dough during fermentation can have a mild alcoholic smell (it's several percent alcohol - same as near-beer), but the alcohol gets driven off during baking. I don't think that adding preservatives is the answer, however.

Preservative on bread / yeast
Please what are the disadvantages of preservatives in bread? would one of them be, the bread smelling fermented/ alcohol? Please, what is the right quantity of preservatives and right quantity of yeast for a 25kg flour? Thanks

Dear Reader:
I don't use any preservatives in my bread, because I want it to be pure and I'm consuming it within a few days. I would suggest you contact a large bakery who could speak to the subject.

First-time Father (to be)
Hello, there, Doctor! My wife gave me your book almost a year ago, and I loved it! I think she knew what she was getting in to, because I have been baking my own bread for some time. But not *real* bread, with a levain.... So, waiting for the opportune moment, when I could go to a local farmer and get some good, hazy apples, I begain building my levain just over a week ago. I feel like Dr. Frankenstein (um...in a good way; let's hope my creation behaves!) The levain is bubbly, vital, healthy and yeasty. I have not yet baked bread with it, but soon! I have a couple questions, though: 1: Do I need to concern myself at all with how large a feeding I give? I mean, would too much flour and water in any way dilute its potency? 2: Why, after going through the process of building this living, breathing mass of yeasty goodness, do I add RapidRise yeast? Would the recipe (for Peasant Bread) not work without it? Thank you for your book, the inspiration, and (of course) your answer. Dougfred

Dear Reader:
Dear Dr. Frankenstein,
First of all, congratulations on creating a successful levain. In terms of feeding, yes, you should not overwhelm it. I usually add about 150g each flour and water to levain, which is about 2/3 of a half-gallon container. The reason I add a dash (and it's really just a dash) of commercial yeast in the recipe is to give it a boost when rising. If I omitted it, I'd have to use a higher proportion of levain, which makes the bread a little too sour for my taste. But you can certainly do that -- then it's called a pain au levain, and in fact I have a recipe for it the book. Good luck with the baking!

Crust too dark (burned)
Hi Bill! I absolutely loved your book and right way started playing with building levain. After second attempt I got a good starter and bread but preheating my oven to 500 and then baking at 450 for 30 minutes made my top bread crust very dark and basically burned. Should I cover it with foil next time or decrease the temperature? Thank you so much and I cant wait to read your new book next year! Elena

Dear Reader:
Hi Elena. Have you checked the temperature of your oven with a thermometer? Baking for 30 min. at 450 shouldn't burn the crust. I would turn the oven down. You shouldn't have to play games with foil. (If it's a gas oven, they can be harder to control, btw) Also, don't use convection mode if you have it. I occasionally find the crust browning too fast, and turn the oven to 425 to finish baking after 30 minutes or so. But your case sounds a little extreme. Good luck!

Bagels?
Hi Bill: Greeting from the North Shore! Many magnificent loaves of bread have come and gone since last I wrote. My wife (the kitchen-phobic yet ultimately willing assistant)insists that I should send you photos of some of the more impressive results. Perhaps you should set up a gallery for your disciples? Anyway, I feel it is time to take my bread-making to the next (and highest) level. Bagels. Do you have a recipe tailored to our levain? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Best regards, Andrew

Dear Reader:
Hi Andrew, I have to admit I haven't tried making bagels (even as a New Yorker, I'm not sure I'd put them at the "highest" level of breadmaking, but let's not quibble). However, I'd say you should be able to make a levain bagel by using my standard substitution of levain for flour and water. Since our levain is 50/50 flour/water by weight it's easy. So you if the recipe calls for, say, 500g flour and 300g water, you might replace 100 g each of the flour and water with 200g levain. Just cut back on the packaged yeast a bit and increase the fermentation time. If you want to send a picture or two of the result (and your recipe), I'll post it on my blog. Good luck, and let us know how you make out!

what is the recipe for a loaf bread?
what is the recipe for a loaf bread?

Dear Reader:
See the "Recipes" section of this website or even better, read "52 Loaves."

gnats in my loaf of bread
i recently found fruit flies in the package of my loaf of bread, can i still eat it or will i get sick?

Dear Reader:
Gee, I'm surprised they could survive on a loaf of commercial bread -- you'd think the additives would kill them (unless you're talking about a package of your own bread here). In any event, I'm not qualified to comment on safety or medical issues, but I shoo fruit flies off my tomatoes all the time.

Vigorous starter!
I am on day two of my first levain. It is so vigorous that is has more than doubled in size twice already. Can I use it tonight or should I still follow the whole procedure? Also I haven't found a stone for my oven yet, can I just use a well floured pan? I haven't read your book yet by the way. It's on it's way to me! Jennifer. (Thanks)

Dear Reader:
I usually get the opposite question: "my starter isn't doing anything" so this is refreshing. I'd let run its course. You'll have a more stable and flavorful starter

Variations On the Boule
Not a question but just wanted to offer another option that worked for me. After the long fermentation stage when making the peasant bread, I wanted to see if I could make rolls instead of loaves. I cut 12 pieces of dough shaped them as if I was making a boule put them in a cupcake pan. In each of the cupcake holes I put some rye flour and rolled the dough around in it. I did not grease the holes. I had a small bit of dough left which I shaped and put in a smaller collander. I baked the rolls at 480 for about 10 minutes, turned down the heat to 425 and then baked for about 15 more minutes. I checked the temp. I put the small boule in and baked it as a boule but cut the time for this also. Wonderful rolls and a nice small boule that I gave to a friend who really enjoyed it. My next experiment will be cinnamon rolls or something else like this.

Dear Reader:
Cool. I've often taken my baguette dough and made little and big rolls, mini-baguettes, etc. I admit to admit the cupcake pan is a new twist to me. But it's fun to play around with different things, and the great thing about rolls is that you can freeze them and just pull a couple out whenever you want them. Way to go!

Can I add rolled oats to a starter?
I have a recipe that uses an overnight starter with a small amount of instant yeast, water, white and wheat flours. The starter is then added the next day to the remaining ingredients, among them, rolled oats. Can I just add the oats to the starter on day 1 to soften them? There is adequate water in the starter

Dear Reader:
I don't see why not. But you may need to add more water to the total mix, if the recipe does not assume an overnight soaking, but adds the oats during say, the fermentation.

boule went flat when I took it out of the collande
Hey Bread Doc, It's CS Baker again. So, I have made the peasant loaf about four times now, and it seems to get better each time. But, today, I made it, and let it do a long proof in the basement (about 6 hours the first time, and 2 the second time). Anywho, when I dumped it out of the collander onto the parchment paper, it just went pretty flat, and the oven didn't do much to raise it back up. So sad. It's actually still in the oven, but I thought I'd see what you think happened while it's on my mind. Over-proofed?

Dear Reader:
Hey, CS. Glad to see you're still at it! The times don't sound overly long, although you are pushing the envelope, depending on how cool your basement is. There are many factors that can affect the rise: temperature, the freshness of your yeast and robustness of your starter. BTW, lately I've been baking 2 batards instead of one boule out of that same recipe and have eliminated the bread-flattening-on-the-stone problem one often has with a moist boule, as that can also affect the rise.(I also get more holes with this shape.) I have a floured couche that I use (King Arthur sells them), but if you just want to try it without committing to the couche, you can use folds of parchment paper to hold the batards in place during the proofing. Let me know you make out.

my starter is alive alright
what is swimming in my starter- looks like mosquito midges

Dear Reader:
If I had to guess, I'd say they're most likely fruit flies and are quite harmless. Whatever it is, I would discard the top few inches of the starter unless it's so infected you have to discard the whole thing, and cover with a frying pan screen or cheesecloth whenever you have it out on the counter.

Banana effect on loafs
What's the reason for banana shape of the loafs after moulding on an industrial line. It is because of the recipe or because of the long moulder? thanks

Dear Reader:
I assume you're talking about long, skinny loaves like baguettes. It's most likely due to the deformation that occurs when stream escapes during baking -- that's why we make slashes (to get the steam to escape evenly and in a controlled fashion), and you'll see curvy loaves both from commercial ovens and your own.

odor
How do you determine if the smell of baking bread comes from ethanol?

Dear Reader:
Interesting questions. The smell of baking bread is a marvelously complex mixture of ketones, chemical reactions, and yes, alcohol being driven off. How much of the smell is attributable to ethanol is hard to say, but a bubbling poolish (or pre-ferment) can fool someone into thinking you're actually baking bread, so it may play more of a role than you'd think.

Starter Smells Funky
I made two starters, one with bread flour and the other with all purpose, each with a different type of apple fresh from the tree. Well, the all purpose flour starter seems to smell a little different than the bread flour starter. Is there a difference in smells depending on the ingredients used? Also, if I get rid of one half of the all purpose starter and feed the other half, do I leave it out of the refrigerator for how long or do I put it back in the refrigerator after I feed it?

Dear Reader:
I doubt that the difference in smell you detect is related to the protein content of the flour. But if you'd made one with rye, e.g., that would be a different story. When feeding an established starter, I leave it out of the fridge for a few hours, until it's nice and bubbly. If your starter doesn't seem active enough or you'd like a little more sourdough flavor out it, leave it out longer -- even overnight.

levain bread
what is a levain bread?

Dear Reader:
A levain is a wild yeast "starter" or sourdough you make yourself and maintain. I go into it some depth in "52 Loaves". So a levain bread is a bread made with a levain.

Dividing dough and baking times
Hi, I've been quite successful making both your peasant loaf and baguettes (perhaps now they are mine as well). My levain just had its first birthday! To the point, I'm interested in making two smaller loaves from the usual peasant bed recipe. Baking time for the originaly recipe is in the neighborhood of 50-60 min, if I do two half size loaves what times would you suggest? I know I can figure it out by trial and error, but I'd rather not. Thanks! Loved the book, love the bread.

Dear Reader:
Probably about 40-45 minutes, but best way is to use an instant-read digital thermometer and bake to 205 - 210 degrees.Go to my blog link at top of this page, and then to my store to find the accurate, inexpensive one I use

International travel
Hello, My mother is visiting me in France and asked if she could take some of my levain back to the states. At first I scoffed at the idea of bringing it on a plane, but then I remembered that you did just that, although in the opposite direction. Obviously, I don't want my 70 year old mother to be subject to the same experience that you had. Is it possible to pack some of the levain in a tupperware container in her suitcase? Do you have any other suggestions? Thank you.

Dear Reader:
France has different rules than the US in terms of what you can bring onto a plane (for example, I'm not sure they have the 100 ml restriction, so she may even be able to bring it on the plane in her carry-on; you can check with the airline. But if you don't want her to deal with that, the extra levain that I stuck in a duffel bag as checked luggage seemed to survive. Levain is pretty resilient stuff, particularly if it's old. Just maybe stick that Tupperware inside a ziplock bag in case it leaks, and don't feed beforehand!

Shaping
When the bread is sliced, there is a big hole in the center of each slice. I know that 'honeycombing' in the crumb is a good thing but is this one single big hole an indication that the dough is too wet and/or I should be shaping differently?

Dear Reader:
You see this occasionally even in commercial artisan bread, but if it's happening consistently, you have a technique issue. I don't think the problem is that the dough is too wet; that would give you lots of holes throughout, so I'd look to your shaping. After fermentation, gently press the dough out into a disk, pushing out most of the gas with your fingertip. And of course, when you shape the loaf, make sure you're not trapping air under a fold. Good luck!

the alcohol smell
I have been trying to make sweetbread and each time I bake it that funky fermented smell remains. Please help as to what am I doing wrong?

Dear Reader:
A smell of alcohol is a sign of undercooked bread. Give it some time and/or heat. The center of the loaf should be at least 205 degrees when done. Good luck!

adding a starter to a recipe when it's not require
can i add a starter to my amish white bread recipe

Dear Reader:
Sure! It will only improve it. See question directly below for details on how to incorporate levain into any recipe.

recipes
thanks for taking our questions, very kind of you, three questions. First, i have tried to get other recpies using levain but find it difficult--any suggestions? second, do you think i can "convert" other recipes using poolish, etc by add to the levain additional flour or water to reach the right percentages? third,when i am doing the baguettes it speaks of if we have bubbles that is great but i never do--although the baguettes taste wonderful--should i be worried or doing something wrong? thanks

Dear Reader:
You absolutely can substitute levain for yeast in other recipes, and I find that it improves almost any bread. The beauty of my levain is that it's 50/50 flour and water, so the substitution is easy: use, for example, 250 g of levain and subtract 125g each of flour and water from the recipe. Because the levain doesn't have as much leavening power as commercial yeast, you'll probably not want to eliminate all the yeast called for in the recipe, but you should reduce it by quite a bit -- trial and error, and eventually a "feel" will tell you how much. Poolish substitution is easier. Same principal, but don't change the yeast. Good luck!

levain feeding
The apple levain totals 800g when complete. Discarding 250 and adding 250 total water and flour over time nearly killed the starter as it was not enough food. Is 550g too much for a 250g "charge"?

Dear Reader:
Most readers have had success with that formula, but, of course everyone' starter is different. Sounds like yours was hungry. 800g of starter should be able to handle 550g combined flour and water. Good luck!

salt
Sorry...I see it's coarse kosher salt.

Dear Reader:
You're hard to keep up with. Correct, but any salt will do, as long as it's not too coarse. I know bakers who swear by sea salt, others who use table salt. I only keep kosher salt in the house, so it's what I use.

salt
Sorry...I forgot to ask the question. You may have said before but I can't find...which type of salt do you use?

Dear Reader:
See above...

Salt
First of all, let me say that I am so grateful for your book. It is the most important bread-baking book I have. I admired your scientific and relentless pursuit of the perfect bread and adored your humor and optimism (we are all just a little crazy...eh?). After all was said and done, I was thrilled to find your hard-earned recipes at the end! I baked the exquisite peasant loaf today. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Dear Reader:
Thank *you* -- glad you came along for the ride, and I appreciate your kind words.

Fermentation too lon
Hello, I have been experimenting with your pain paysan recipe with some great successes and some, well, it's always edible. My last trial incorporated two changes, the result of which is that it didn't rise enough in the oven. The first change was deliberate: I incorporated about 1/4 cup ground millet. The second change was regrettable, but I had plans I didn't want to cancel: after an overnight fermentation, I left the dough at room temperature for about 5 hours before forming the boule for a second rise (1.5 hours). Could the long fermentation have caused my bread's poor oven performance? Thank you.

Dear Reader:
I rarely say "undoubtedly," but in this case, undoubtedly. I think you exhausted all the yeast. After an overnight fermentation, I either go right to forming loafs and the 2nd rise, or let the dough come to room temperature (but never more than a hour or two) and then form the loaves, depending on the the bread and my mood. Keep at it, and good luck!

CS Baker again: hydration ratio?
Well, Bread Doctor, as long as you are so generous with your expertise, and so prompt in your replies, I am going to bother you once more. So, I made this starter following the instructions on the internet forum "The Fresh Loaf" and got it going. It was a pretty gloopy, but bubbled okay, so the folks on the FL said give it extra water, stir a lot, etc. Which I did. But, now I have no idea what I am dealing with as far as hydration goes. Also, some recipes call for different levels of "firmness" I wouldn't think that I start all over to get the right hydration, so what do I do to get the hydration that specific recipe calls for. By the way, I have asked the Fresh Loaf forum this, but I got lots of answers, and then was just more confused, so I thought it would be better to ask one person, and get one answer. Thank you. And, honestly, I CANNOT believe you actually field questions about bread! That is just so cool. Thanks, Colorado Springs Baker

Dear Reader:
Dear CSB, So just to make sure I understand...you made your starter from a recipe on thefreshloaf.com (not my book), went back to FL for advice (bad idea), and now you want me to bail you out of this mess? Okay, just this once. Here's what you do: Add flour or water so that your starter is the consistency of thick pancake batter. The next day, discard 3/4 of your starter. Add equal amounts by weight of flour and water, enough to double the amount of your current starter. Wait a day or so and add another 50/50 mix of flour/water. Repeat again, discarding some first if you need to. By now, no matter where you started out, you'll be close to 50/50. Bon appetit!

measurements for feeding and other stuff
First, loved, loved, loved your book! I just finished it this morning, so naturally, I had to bake the peasant loaf. I am very new at this, but I did have a starter that I made a few weeks ago. As it turned out, I had just fed her (her name is Vivian) the day before, and when I took her out of the fridge, she became nice and bubbly, and very eager to bake some bread. But, for future reference, when you add the 130 grams each of flour and water, how much starter are you adding that to? 130 grams? By the way, the bread came out really good. Great flavor. The crust is a little chewier than I would prefer, and the crumb is very even (you've got me obsessed with those damn holes!) So, any advice you could offer would be fantastic. Thanks again for the great read! You are oh so funny. Sincerely, Colorado Springs Baker

Dear Reader:
Thanks for the kind words, CSB. When I add the 130 grams flour and water, that's to the entire starter, in my case about a quart or so. I don't have the book in front of me, but if you're referring to feeding of mature starter, the 130 g is very rough. More or less doesn't matter, as long you keep the amount of water and flour equal by weight. Good luck with the holes!

hard bread
How to make the bread become lighter and crispier?

Dear Reader:
Well, as this is the subject of my 80,000 word book, it's kind of hard to address in a sentence or two. Suggest you give it a read and follow my journey.

Not really a question... Continued
Yes, I will read your next book. Your writing is genius. And... Levain chez Gilbert is the difference between ok bread and bread that beat bread in France. So put on your headstone 'convinced people to use a levain.' If you accomplish nothing else, it is a life well lived. And we have a French exchange student living with us starting next month, so the real test of bread is about to begin in our Colorado home.

Dear Reader:
I predict your French student will be blown away by your bread. Thanks again for all the kinds words.

Not really a question...
I just returned from a bread tour of France with some side trips to churches and museums and stuff. After a couple hundred loaves of bread, I can count on one hand those that were better than the pain de Campagne from your book. Makes me happy! Thanks for the great recipes.

Dear Reader:
Makes me even happier! Thanks for the note. And is sounds like you may want to read my next book, in which I try to learn French.

pizza bread
Is pizza bread not good when its not fully cooked all the way

Dear Reader:
No bread is good when not cooked all the way. Undercooked bread is a common error among home bakers. Don't be afraid of baking to a mahogany brown exterior, and use an instant-read thermometer to make sure the interior reaches 205 - 210 degrees.

Overnight fermentation
I like to bake bread in the morning. Can the dough for peasant bread be fermented in the refrigerator overnight? Also, how long does the dough need to reach room temperature once removed from the refrigerator? Thank you.

Dear Reader:
Absolutely, I do it all the time! If anything, it improves the bread. In the morning, you can form the loaf (or loaves)from the cold dough and proof -- just allow for a longer proofing time. But if you're going to form loaves after it comes to room temp (another approach), expect to wait a good two hours.

Pizza dough (con't)
Woops! I actually have your book and read it a few months ago. (And enjoyed it very much!) Guess my memory isn't what it used to be... Thank you for your polite reply :-).

Dear Reader:
Don't worry about it. Even I can't remember what's in the book sometimes. Enjoy the pizza!

Pizza dough
Hello! I love your peasant bread recipe. Would you happen to have a good one for pizza dough? Thank you!

Dear Reader:
Yes, there's one in the book. And also here.

Translation of your book
Hi, I am reading your book, I live in France, and I have a friend (french!) who would like to read it. Has it ever been translated, if so, where could I buy it? Mind you, they may be a bit offended! I have really enjoyed it, thank you!

Dear Reader:
Désolé, it has not been translated into French. But you'll want to read my next book due out in 2012/13 - about my attempt (at the age of 58) to learn French.

Aquarium Pump, Pt II
Well, it appears to have worked well. I was already doing generous feedings anyway. Occasionally, because I can't leave things alone, I would play with the air hose and move it around a bit. As for my wife, she reminded me how patient and understanding she is--I might add long-suffering. She also wanted to know how long it has to stay. "Has to" is difficult to define, however...

Dear Reader:
Dear Aquaman, I love this...Can you send me a photo of your hookup (my email address is under "contact" in the menu above.)? Will post on my bread blog. BTW, when famed Paris Baker Eric Kayser couldn't find a machine to maintain his liquid levain in large quantities he built his own. So you're in fine company. Continued success!

Aquarium Pump
While I'm sure my wife will be less than enthusiastic...I used to keep a sourdough pot then stopped, but not before drying and freezing some starter. I am pulling a Frankenstein as I revive it--I hooked a small aquarium pump (with a new hose) and am using it to keep air bubbling up through the starter. Do you foresee any problems? I'm thinking it will take care of the stirring part.

Dear Reader:
Yes, I foresee problems -- but with your marriage, not your starter. My only thought is that with all that oxygen, you'll want to be feeding it pretty often. Please let us know this all works out -- fascinating! (BTW, I've shared your creative idea on my bread blog, so you may get a comment or two there as well.)

Fine crumb and or crispy super light
hello BD. How are the super crunchy and massive bubbled french breakfast rolls made? Also if the crumb of a loaf is too small how is a more airated one made please?

Dear Reader:
In general, large holes are obtained by using a very wet dough, so wet it's hard to shape (like making ciabatta). The crispiness comes from a real hot oven and incorporating steam into the first few minutes of baking. I spent a year pursuing the kind of crumb you describe, so if you haven't yet, you might want to read "52 Loaves."

Silo Bread
How is Silo Bread Made

Dear Reader:
Sorry, even with my four-foot long bread library, I'm not familiar with silo bread. There is a bakery called "Silo" but I've never come across a bread of the same name.

Pre-heating
Hello William, As it pains me to waste energy, I tend to pre-heat my oven for a maximum of 10 to 15 minutes. Do you think that this results in significantly inferior bread? Thank you.

Dear Reader:
If you are using a baking (aka pizza) stone, 15 minutes is not long enough for the stone to heat sufficiently to: a) give you the oven spring you want and b) act as a heat sink and retain heat while your oven door is open. But why don't you try it once with an hour preheat and see if it makes any difference? In the winter, btw, I leave my oven door open after baking, and return much of that heat to the house, recouping some of the "waste."

Misc.
Hello, I just finished your book, which I thoroughly enjoyed, but I was left with a few questions... 1) Is it necessary to proof the dough in a colander/linen napkin rather than a bowl lined with baking paper, which would render it much easier to transfer to the peel? 2)If yes, what is the best method to transfer the proofed dough to a peel? My best efforts have resulted in big finger prints on the top. 3) I live in France and use type 65 flour which, as you point out in your book, is malt-free, unlike its US counter-part. Should I be adding something to make up for this short-coming? 4) I have made three of your recipes including the 70% water one. I found that I needed to add so much additional flour to the 70% water dough during the kneading process that I probably reduced the ratio down to 68%. Is there a better way to knead such wet dough? 5) Does a pizza stone really make a big difference? (I don't have one and would like to be sure it's worth the investment before buying it.) That's it! Except to tell you that I'm having a great time making bread with my own levain. Thank you so much for bringing this joy to me and my family!

Dear Reader:
Thanks for your words about the book. As for your questions: 1) No. Whatever works, as they say. 2)Place the well-floured peel over the basket or bowl,and flip. My new favorite tool btw is the "super peel." It's a miniature version of the loader I used at the Ritz. Never sticks-- ever. See my blog, then go to my Store on the right-hand side. 3)Lucky you! (My next book is about leaning French.) I found that as long as I had a levain I didn't need the malt. If your bread is rising without it, then I wouldn't worry about it. If you do need malt, perhaps a local boulangerie would be willing to sell you some. 4) I didn't have problem with stickiness with my one experience with type 65 -- at the abbey. But if I recall I was using a 65% hydration rate. But note that the wetter the dough, the less kneading you have to do, as the molecules will link on their own -- that's the theory behind no-knead bread. 5) A store (or tiles) is essential for hearth-style, free form loaves. But if you don't want to spend the money, try a couple of flooring tiles instead. A little Googling will tell you what types are recommended. Keep slingin' the dough. A plus tard!

random crust problem
I baked three types of bread today. One, standard Amish white bread, turned out fine. The second, a spiced yeast bread and the third a baking soda spiced bread both ended up with hard crusts. With the spiced yeast bread I followed the recipe and only mixed in 2 cups of flour, let it rise, add three cups and shape into "rolls". Didn't get as fluffy as I expected at all, and the crust bordered on "crackery" (horror) the third was a fairly standard quick bread recipe, and again, it's moderately dry, and the crust is hard. What puzzled me about all this is that it I almost never have complete failures, much less when trying recipes from two divergent locations. Any chance that someone can think of what I might have done wrong? All three were baked at 350 degrees. I generally set a timer for 1/2 time, check or rotate as needed and reset the timer. I do bloom my yeast. fairly standard there. the first rise on the second loaf was fluffy and nice... I suspect I added too much flour and under worked it? I have no idea what went wrong on the last.

Dear Reader:
Well, the technique of adding additional flour *after* the rise is rather unusual, unless what you're really describing is making a poolish in the first step. Also, 350 degrees is on the low side for baking bread, and will definitely impact the rise that takes place in the oven. Suggest you read (or re-read) "52 Loaves" carefully with an eye on the techniques. Good luck!

when baking a simple white bread...
i am not pleased with the shape of the loaves! according to recipe, they should be going to oven about now. will i ruin it if i punch it down reshape it and allow it to rise a third time? any advise would be most appreciated!

Dear Reader:
It depends. Some recipes in fact call for an additional rise. The risk you run is that there may there not be enough active yeast left to get a decent third rise, so you have to consider factors like, how long the first two rises were, how active your yeast is, etc. You can improve your odds if you are gentle with the "punch down" (fold, don't punch), the idea being to push out some but not all of the carbon dioxide and trying to give the yeast some fresh flour to work on.

Autolyse protocol
I read recently on a different bread-making site that the autolyse process is only for the initial combination of flour and water, and that after letting those two ingredients sit together for 20 to 30 minutes, the rest (starter, yeast, salt) should be mixed in. I see in your recipes that you mix everything together first. Have you compared both methods?

Dear Reader:
Once. Technically, you are correct in that autolyse is generally done just flour and water, but I found it rather difficult to incorporate a levain into a rather firm, autolysed ball of flour (especially when hand-kneading). Thus, since I add the levain before the autolyse, I figure I may as well add the salt and the dash of instant yeast up front as well. The only downside is, you can't let it go much more than 25 minutes, or it will start to rise.

Night Feeding
You mention in your baguette recipe that the levain can be fed the night before. Should it be left out all night after the feeding, or can it be used the next morning just out of the refrigerator? By the way, I live in France and I definitely agree with you about the quality of typical French baguette.

Dear Reader:
"Nocturnal stirrings," (my favorite subject line in some time) "night feeding" -- is Daylight Savings responsible for the last few posts? In any event, yes, I leave it out all night so it's nice and bubbly and yeasty in the morning, although I've been known to refrigerate (and remove it in the morning) if I'm not using it till the afternoon. Either way, I wouldn't feed, refrigerate, and use it straight out of the fridge. You want a nice, active levain.

No question, just thanks!
Wow, my first bread (peasant) with my first levain was fantastic! Perfect! I look forward to trying some of your other recipes. Thank you.

Dear Reader:
Thanks for the feedback. Next time I get a "followed your recipe exactly and it's the worst bread ever!" e-mail I'll point them here!

2-Quart container
Hello, Is it really necessary to keep the levain in a 2-quart container? It seems a bit large, given the quantity of levain. Thank you.

Dear Reader:
I suppose not, if you stick with the initial amount. But you may find yourself building up more leavain as you bake more, or before making a big batch of bread, and remember that after feeding, it will increase quite a bit in volume.

Nocturnal stirrings
Hello! I heard your interview on NPR and plan to buy your book. In the meantime, I am on Day 3 of making a levain and have been stirring it every two to three hours, including throughout the night. Fortunately, I'll be done tomorrow but I was wondering if the nighttime stirrings were really necessary. (By the way, both of my children were fed on-demand as babies, so I am used to this type of sleep schedule.)

Dear Reader:
Holy cow, did I say on NPR that I get up in the middle of the night every couple of hourse to stir my levain? No, you can let it sleep along with you during the night! Good luck!

levain revival
having read and become obsessed with your book (it beats looking for a job!) I started a levain months ago, and it's been sluggish for it's whole life. I didn't think of starting over (duh...)but in the meantime I've created some more apple yeast water that I just fed the starter with today...Do you have any wisdom to shed on my frustration? Having taken the starter with me on a road trip, to make sure it got fed, I guess I've grown attached. Thanks for a fabulous book, and for making my Thanksgiving Day complete with your interview on Diane Rehm Show!

Dear Reader:
If you start over make sure to really eally whip in air during the first week. Once you have an established starter you can try: instead of refrigerating after feeding leave it out overnight. And feed frequently. If all else fails you can cheat a little and add a quarter teaspoon of instant yeast to help the wild yeast along. Thanks for your kind words about the book and good luck!

Couche cloth
What is the best way to clean the couche cloth if you are a large bakery?

Dear Reader:
Here's the answer I got from the King Arthur Flour Baker's Hotline: "The couche is made of linen, that has been sized and pressed. A couche is easily cleaned with a firm plastic scraper. Just lay it out flat, with the cut edge closest to you, and gently push the scraper away from you while holding the edge of the couche. Shake the couche out to dispose of any debris. If you must wash the couche, to return it to it's firm state, it will need to be starched and pressed.

More than 1 loaf per week?
I started my levain with great success in August and make a delicious loaf every week. We eat it up so quickly that I wish I could have another before the week is up. Can you feed the starter more often than once a week? It seems logical that you could but I worry that you'd 'dilute' the starter and make it weaker by not letting it sit and age in the fridge for the week. Thanks

Dear Reader:
Absolutely! Professional bakeries feed their starter every day. Just keep a fair amount of in the fridge, like close to a half gallon, and it'll love a daily feeding.

using your starter with other recipes?
I have really enjoyed using your starter to make breads in your book. I'm so excited by the process I'm interested in trying other sourdough recipes. Are starters interchangable; ie: can I use your starter with any sourdough recipe? Thanks!

Dear Reader:
I don't know. I guess I read it somewhere. There's no magic to it. If you prefer a moister loaf you can pull it out earlier. In my own opinion, 195 is a little too moist. I go for at least 205, and honestly, sometimes 210 is hard to reach (as water boils at only 212!)

Temperature of fully baked loaf
I've made 4 of your recipes and am really enjoying the process; thanks! The temperature for a fully baked loaf has me curious, though, as the bread (especially the crust) tends to get a bit too tough and dry (especially the mini baguettes). In Daniel Wing and Alan Scott's The Bread Builders, a temperature range of at least 195 degrees, but not more than 205 degrees, is given. How did you arrive at your temp of 210? Thanks for taking questions; it's great to be able to get answers!

Dear Reader:
Not sure where the magic "210" figure came from, but it's a personal taste. You can certainly pull it out earlier (though 195 sounds a bit moist to me, but to each his own). Truthfully, sometimes I can't reach 210 -- after all, water boils at just 212, but I always get to 205, because I like the bread dry and the crust dark. Again, though, it's a personal preference.

best way to use proofer
i get air pockets in bread after proof and bake.i have a proofer and dont really know how to use it.what to set temp humidity ,time etc.

Dear Reader:
Wish I could help...but I've never used a a proofer. You might try searching on thefreshloaf.com. Best of luck!

success, i think
hello again.......i wrote yesterday about having the gummy middle in my first loaf. well, yesterdays effort was what i would call a success. very crisp crust, moist "holey" middle, not as dense. i did do two smaller loaves which seemed to help. thanks so much for answering my questions. i'm amazed that i actually heard back. life is busy and i know yours is to. have just begun to reread your book in case i may have missed something important. thanks again.we are at 7000 ft.......could that be a factor in any of this? now i'll have to figure a way to get my levain up to alaska for our summer. we have a lodge up there, i'm the cook. don't think the boys would much like this bread though. i do make everything from scratch there but they seem to prefer "softer, whiter" bread. oh well.

Dear Reader:
Sorry, but the bread is a success, not as gummy, good holes...so...what's the question? Actually, forget that: whatever the question is, the answer is, "You're living almost a mile and a half in the sky! It ain't natural!" (Yes, it's going to affect the bread, and you may have to tinker.) And show the boys in Alaska what good bread really is! (Or bring some bread pans and make good pullman-type loaves. No shame in that!)

smell
when does the bread still smell of alcohol even after cooking ?

Dear Reader:
I can't say I've ever smelled alcohol in baked bread -- I suspect that the smell you're detecting is sourdough. Most (but not all) of the alcohol gets driven off during the baking process, but of course the byproducts of fermentation -- sourdough -- remain.

finished bread too dense
finally got to bake my first loaf last nite, but the finished bread is way too dense......it rose beautifully and looks good, but the inside is almost gummy? too much water? not enough baking time? crust is great. i used some sprouted wheat flour, just a bit.....could that be it? am trying again today. my levain is quite thick, not like thick pancake batter at all. its hard to mix the flour/water into it to feed it. don't like the denseness of my loaf......how do i correct that? loved your book. how the heck did people years ago make good bread without all this science?

Dear Reader:
From the website http://nourishedkitchen.com/sprouted-grain-flour/:"Sprouted grain flour produces a rustic, dense loaf of bread so it's best used in multigrain breads where a chewy consistency is valued." But it you used just a bit that should be okay. It sounds like you undercooked the loaf. Don't be afraid of a really dark crust. Also, you might try making two batards from the recipe rather than a boule. That shape help to dry out the interior. If your levain seems too thin, to be sure, throw out most of it, and use what's left as a seed for a new levain (I assume you're using a scale): And make sure the levain is good and bubbly before you start the dough. I've started feeding mine the night before I bake and leaving it out all night. Good luck, and let us know how you make out!

Lame incision is lame
I can't get that cool looking fissure on my boule. It seems like the dough repairs itself after I make the lame slash. The bread doesn't look as good as it should and the innards are a little too moist. Any tips?

Dear Reader:
Finally, an ailment the bread doctor knows the solution to! You need to make your cuts deeper, and get the bread right into the oven quickly. (I usually slash while the loaf is on the peel.) But the main thing is, don't be timid: cut deep!

Funky smell?
Love the book and am now trying to make the levain. It is the 3rd day or feeding and see the statement about funky smell - mine smells winey and of apple and reminds me of bread I have made with rapid yeast - it is making bubbles and rising - should I increase my feedings? is it decaying - should I reduce by half and replace by the same weight of flour and dechlorinated water or should I keep going - this is what it should smell like? Thank you so much - love the book and am looking for the tomato one (I too have spent too much on perfect gardening - can't wait to read). Monica G, Alex., VA

Dear Reader:
It sounds like it's going perfectly! Stay the course, whip often, and good luck!

banana bread
How can I keep non-yeast type breads, like banana bread from falling in the middle?

Dear Reader:
I don't bake a lot of non-yeast breads, but my wife does - and she suggests you preheat the oven 25 degrees higher than what the recipe calls for, then turn it down to the specified temperature when you put in the loaf. Note that opening the oven door usually drops the temp by up to 50 degrees, so you don't want to dally while that's doors open. I'll add that in yeasted breads, falling is generally due to either over-proofing or using too much yeast, so you could have something like that going on as well. Good luck!

Barm to Levain
Mr. Alexander, I have been a fan of bread baking for years (I too have a treasured hardback edition of Beard on Bread with Mr. Beard and the gargantuan loaf on the dust jacket!) and have thoroughly enjoyed 52 Loaves and the peasant boule. Thank you! How would you go about adapting Peter Reinhart's sourdough recipes in The Bread Bakers Apprentice for a levain rather than a barm starter? Tim P, Ionia, MI

Dear Reader:
It's fairly easy, as (if my math is correct) the final composition of Peter's berm (7 oz seed + 16 oz flour + 16 oz water) is about 49% flour to 51% water, and mine levain is 50%/50%, so you can pretty much substitute an equivalent about my levain for his berm.

sick bread joke answer
He had a heel problem!!!! hahahahaha

Dear Reader:
Sorry I asked...

Artificial Flavor in Spray Oil
Mr Alexander, First and foremost please allow me to thank you with utmost gratitude for the remarkable gift of your book, 52 Loaves. Being a relatively novice baker myself, I feel I have been given inspiration, confidence, and a great sense of grace as I apply my efforts at this most fundamental, yet vexing, task of baking bread. Thank you. One question I would like to ask of you if I may: I notice in your video (as well as Peter Reinhart's wonderful book as well)that you recommend using Pam for Baking as a spray for the wicker basket for your peasant loaf to proof in. I've never been a big fan of spray oils due to the propellant, but decided to try them once again as they are much easier to oil the basket, but I am concerned because I discover that Pam for Baking contains an "artificial flavor" additive and after all the careful work of using the best ingredients and preparation, I am afraid this might detract from this wonderful bread! I'm wondering what your thoughts are in regard to this and if you might have other suggestions? Again, thank you so very much for this wonderful gift you have given your hundred's of thousands of readers. Peter F., Cape Cod MA

Dear Reader:
Thanks for your kind words about the book, Peter, and for your interesting question. I've never noticed an off taste from the Pam for Baking, but nevertheless I've kind of gotten away from using it. An environmentally-friendly (and cheaper) alternative is to purchase a refillable oil sprayer (the kind that you pump up) and add your own vegetable oil, then dust the hell out of the basket with rice flour (which is slippery stuff and doesn't turn brown in the oven). Once your baskets have been used a few times, you may find you can skip the oil altogether and just flour the basket. Alternatively you can use a linen-lined basket (San Francisco Baking Institute is a great source - http://sfbi.com). Good luck!

Wild yeast from citrus fruit
Dear Mr. Alexander, I just finished 52 Loaves and enjoyed it immensely! When my daughter was a young teen, she picked an "animal" project for 4-H of capturing wild yeast and making a starter. Ugh. She tried several times with different fruits, but was only able to make the foulest smelling concoctions we could imagine. Eventually she resorted to a commercial yeast for her starter which worked beautifully. After reading your book, I have learned that she likely raised a bumper crop of bacteria with her yeast from fruit. She's away at college now, but I am inspired to try again. We live in Florida, a state NOT know for its apples. In considering what fruit I could use as a yeast source, outside taking a trip to the supermarket, I realized that I might have a great candidate sitting on a tree right outside my back door: citrus! Certainly citrus is fermentable--who hasn't experienced the nasty shock in "off" orange juice at some time. Have you heard of using oranges or grapefruit to make a wild yeast starter? I just cut up a sun-warmed orange from one of our trees to initiate the yeast capture. Hope it works! Bea

Dear Reader:
Hi Bea. I have heard of the use of apples, grapes (very traditional), and if you browse the postings here you'll see that readers have used strawberries, peaches, and other fruit with success. I've never heard of orange juice being used. I'd be wary of the acid affecting the yeast, BUT... Peter Reinhart uses pineapple juice in his starter, so maybe yeast likes the acid. Give it a try -- and let us know how it comes out!

sick bread joke
A loaf of bread went to the doctor. What was its problem? tehehehe :D

Dear Reader:
I give up. What was its problem?

Recipe questions
I bought the scale and thermometer from your Amazon website. Thanks for the suggestion! So I made my first loaf the other day and had several questions: The recipe doesn't specify I should make two boules, but is that the case? Is the 50-60 minute baking time the total time, including the 20 minutes at 480 degrees? Or is it 50-60 min. on top of the 20? I baked mine for 50-55 total, but the crust was almost black and tasted burnt. The inside temp never reached above 203.3 degrees. Thanks, again! Kris

Dear Reader:
Hi Kris. Sorry if my directions weren't clear. The recipe is for one boule or two batards. The baking time is the total time. If the bread came out burnt it's possible that your oven thermostat is off. It is not uncommon for them to vary by as much as 50 degrees. Also, it's possible that your baking cycling turns on the broiler element as well, which will burn the crust. So check those things out before your next loaf -- or just turn down the heat. Good luck!

Splitting/sharing the starter
That is a given with sharing the starter. The levain is in a container on top of the book!!!!

Dear Reader:
Hear that, everyone? The doctor wishes you a happy new year!

Splitting/sharing the starter
I have made the levain (what fun!!). I was telling a coworker about it and she would like some of it. How do I go about splitting it. I was going to remove the 250 grams and give that to her. Can I do that and how (what amounts) of water and flour do I add? Thanks!!

Dear Reader:
You can absolutely do that. Just replace it with 125 g each water and flour. Or you can build yours up a little more than your normally keep, and give her the excess. Of course, a true friend would give her a copy of "52 Loaves" with it...

Alcohol left in homemade bread after baking?
Is there any alcohol left in homemade bread after you've baked it? I cannot consume any alcohol due to a liver problem.

Dear Reader:
Ah, I think you may be responding to my statement in "52 Loaves" that the level of alcohol while dough is fermenting is close to that of light beer. I was tempted to dismiss this out of hand, but you got me wondering...and thumbing through my bread library. I found the answer in my Pyler ("Baking Science and Technology"). He says (p. 637), "Freshly-baked bread, in which most of the alcohol has been volatilized and driven off during baking, still contains some 0.5 percent ethanol" He's talking about bread in general, not homemade, and we can assume that homemade probably has, if anything, a bit more alcohol than commercial, if you're making it right. He doesn't say what happens after a day (I would think it continues to lose alcohol as it dries out), but if you want to look up the original reference he's relying on, it's: Wiseblatt,L. Cereal Chem. 37, 728 (1960). If you find anything interesting, please let us know.

Whole grain recipe?
Thanks for your book and all the work it represents. I love the peasant bread but wonder if you have suggestions on how I could use the levain to make a loaf with more whole grains.

Dear Reader:
Sure. Two ways you can go: 1) Simply substitute more whole grains for the white flour in my peasant bread recipe. You will need to add more water as well, as whole grains absorb more, but now that you've made peasant bread a few times, you have a feel for how the dough should look and feel. 2) Take you favorite whole or mixed-grain recipes and substitute about a quarter to a third of the flour and water for an equal amount of levain. Since our levain is 50/50 water/flour, this is easy. So replace, say, 125 grams of flour and 125 of water with 250 grams levain. At the same time, reduce the commerical yeast to a 1/8 teaspoon or so (you may need to experiment). Finally, if you're a whole-grain diehard, you can make a levain from whole grain. Lots of people like a whole rye starter in particular. Let us know how you make out, and if you hit on something good, post it as a comment on the peasant bread recipe comments page!

a scale
I've been baking bread off and on for years (no bread machine or mixer, always hand-kneading). But I confess to feeling like an utter novice when I read that I need to buy a metric scale for your peasant bread. Any suggestions for the kind/brand/features of the scale? About how much money will it set me back? Is it absolutely necessary or can your recipes be converted into volume measurements? Thanks! Kris

Dear Reader:
My Amazon store (reached from my blog or directly at http://astore.amazon.com/the64toma-20) has the one that I use. They start at $20; most are $25. I love mine! Has everything you need: a "tare" or zero-out feature, good capacity, accurate to the gram. I find myself using it for other things as well, and you may, too. Good luck!

No More No-Knead Bread
I enjoyed your interview with Diane. I have been making bread at home long enough to have memorized the Tassajara recipe. I was on the way towards making bread with levain through another book when the No-Knead phenomenon arrived. My wife thought it the best ever and took the wind out of my sails with levain, since my efforts had been spotty. It negated my preparation and acquisitions. When would I ever use the Super Peel? Why bother with the stone that smelled up the house when I tempered it? Last week I resurrected the starter--it can come to life after a month's neglect, I've done it before--and I got out the digital scale that was unused. I have to say the results were very promising. The boule was a bit flat, the crust thicker than the No-Knead, but the crumb is superior and full of irregular gas pockets, and it's slightly sour, which you don't get with No-Knead unless you add beer. Plus this recipe gets me back on track. Thanks for letting us benefit from your experiences.

Dear Reader:
Thanks for the note, and glad you've seen the light! You might want to try making 2 batards from the recipe if your boule is a bit flat. The higher crust-to-crumb ratio gives is more flavor, as well. Keep slingin' that dough!

home made bread
the receipe said to bake at 400 for 20minutes and then turn oven down to 300 for 25 minutes. and in the first 20 minutes the crust turned almost black and by the time is was done it was almost burned. Can you tell me why?

Dear Reader:
Actually the recipe for peasant bread says to bake at 480, then turn down to 425, so if your bread burned at 400 in only 20 minutes, the doctor's prescription is that you take the oven's temperature - that is, buy an oven thermometer and see if your thermostat is off by a hundred degrees or so. The only other conceivable thing I can imagine is that the broiler element was on and the direct heat burned the top of bread. Good luck!

metricsystem
how does a doctor use the metric system

Dear Reader:
The bread doctor finds the metric system far superior (and easier) when weighing ingredients for bread, especially when doing things like trying to determine the percentage of water in a recipe or increasing a recipe by half. Once you switch, you'll never go back; trust me!

Wash the apples or not?
I'll need to get them from a grocery store, so I worry about what else is on those apples besides wild yeast. Is it OK to lightly wash them, or will that remove all the yeast?

Dear Reader:
You can lightly rinse them -- but don't wipe them down afterward. There's plenty of wild yeast in the flour as well, so you should be OK. Another reason for the apple, btw, is its sugar, which kick-starts the fermentation. Good luck with your levain!

microwave rising
Some years ago, I used a microwave - set at 10% - to raise the dough both times and then baked it as usual and there wasn't any difference that my jaded palette could detect - what's your judgement?

Dear Reader:
I can picture Raymond Calval, the champion of long, cool fermentation,rolling in his grave. The slow rise with little yeast allows for flavors to develop (this is explained in detail in the book). Of course, if you like the bread, then whatever works, but if you tried, say, a 5 hour fermentation (with little yeast and hopefully a starter) you might detect a significant difference.

low carb dieting and artisan bread
I was intrigued by your statement that it is possible to eat peasant bread and not gain weight. My husband and I love peasant bread, and I was making some using the no-knead/fridge batch method before we started to eat low-carb. We really need to lose weight, but if you have suggestions for how to make a low-carb bread, maybe we could add a bit of bread back without breaking our diet. Thanks in advance.

Dear Reader:
Making low-carb bread is a challenge at home, because you don't have access to the fillers that commercial companies use to make their bread "low carb." But as I'm sure you know, there are carbs and there are carbs, and whole grain carbs are healthier and less likely to end up on your hips. So, long story short, make whole wheat bread. If you don't like the heaviness of whole wheat flour, try a white whole wheat flour. King Arthur makes one. In either case, you'll need to increase the water in the recipe due to the absorbency of the bran. One other trick a dieter taught me about bread: when you go to a restaurant and they put out the bread basket, if you find it hard to resist (I do), only eat the crust. Good luck!

But it's sticky!
I have a confession to make. It was the KitchenAid mixer, received as a Christmas gift, that got me to finally bake bread. Why? Because my experience of it in my youth was that kneading by hand was an impossible mess, with dough sticking to my hands, and then more dough sticking to that dough, and so on until the dough left on the board was half of what I started with because the other half was glued to my palms. Now - I think I need to learn to do this by hand if I'm really going to get the right consistency. My first loaf of your Peasant Bread was good - but it was a bit wet so it was hard to shape it, and it did flatten considerably when I turned it out of the colander. First, I figure I can use a little less water - or a little more flour. Second - I need to do it by hand. How, oh how, do I manage to do this without half of it going down the drain when I wash my hands?!

Dear Reader:
As you knead by hand, the dough will indeed be quite sticky at first, but should become less tacky after a few minutes. Dipping you hands in water before beginning can help a bit, but usually don't worry about it - I just scrape the dough off my hands near the the end. If the loaf is so wet that it won't hold a boule shape long enough to get into the oven, though, your dough may be too wet. Try cutting back on the water, 10 grams at a time. You might want to look at my kneading video if you haven't already. Good luck!

Cheap and easy colander lining
A comment more than a question...I could not find a nice basket like you use but had a perfect sized colander. Also, I couldn't find a linen cloth my wife or I was willing to give up. Instead, I spray a paper towel with oil (Bounty has a nice pattern with dimples on one side) and then flour it well. Doesn't stick to the boule at all, leaves some nice flour dust behind, and cleans up real easy.

Dear Reader:
I love it -- especially the dimples part! Who'd a thunk that would work... Thanks for sharing the tip.

Peasant Bread Ingredient Options?
William, do you have any recipes that include adding other ingredients to the peasant bread recipe. I have that down beautifully but want to vary the ingredients? Can you make a raisin bread variant? Thank you. Bobby

Dear Reader:
I don't, having been rather single-minded about achieving my perfect peasant loaf. However, I encourage you to play with it, and turn it into raisin and other breads. For an idea of where to start (for example, how much sugar to add for raisin bread), I suggest looking in Reinhart's or Leader's bread cookbooks or any other book that gives the baker's percentages. Once you have that, it's easy -- just multiply the specificed percentage by 620 grams (the amount of total flour, including what's in the levain) to get the number of grams of "additives."

Can I maker my Levain hibernate at day 5?
Murphy's law has reared its ugly head. It took 5 or 6 days for my apple water to show signs of life. Last night I started "day 1" of building my Levain, and I just realized I leave the country tomorrow night. Beloved spouse does NOT share my love of the kitchen. Can I freeze the Levain at the end of day 2, or am I doomed to begin anew next Thursday when I return? I know that your first rec commendation is to take it as carry on, but . . .

Dear Reader:
Nice timing...but we needn't go there. I've known of bakers who have frozen a mature levain for a few weeks, but I suspect there's less chance of success in freezing a nascent one. But what do you have to lose? All things considered, it's probably safer in the freezer than left with your "beloved spouse" (who, by the way, will change her tune when you start baking incredible bread, and after all you've been through with the levain, it WILL be incredible bread). Let the doctor know how you make out, and bon voyage! (and if you have to start over, try bottled water this time -- just in case its something in that Long Island water that's suppressing the yeast...

My levain smells like bananas.
Love the book, love the bread! I am just wondering what a levain is supposed to smell like. I made with apple water, and my levain is now five months old and smells remarkably like bananas. It makes very good bread, but I was just curious if this is normal. Thanks!

Dear Reader:
Hmm. It's hard to describe exactly, but "bananas" is not the word that comes to mind. But it might just be a perceptual thing, or have to with your local yeast. If it bubbles, and doesn't smell horrible (and most importantly, tastes good in bread) I'd say you're stick with it.

Dough sticks to floured cloth
Loved the book, as did members of my group Banquets and Books (we talk food books while we eat and drink.) Just made my second loaf. Both times I get a wonderful loaf, chewy crust, fantastic flavor, nice "holes", etc. etc. BUT the loaf flattens out and I know why--when I go to turn it out of the colander where it rose, the part that was at the bottom sticks to the floured cloth and pulls away in pieces and globs--despite the fact that it is a very well-floured cloth. So, I lose the effects of the rise, AND I lose the surface tension, etc. Instead, I get a mess of dough pulls and breaks all over the top. How can I keep the dough from sticking to the cloth. Thanks.

Dear Reader:
I suspect the problem lies either with the type of cloth you are using (linen or linen canvas is best) or the wetness of the dough. If a change in cloth doesn't help, trying 10 less grams of water. Also, I often use a plastic "woven" basket that I bought for a buck in a kitchen supply store instead of a colander. Spray the heck out of it with Pam for Baking and nothing will stick to it!

Very Hard Crust and Unshapely
Love the book! I've made about 4 loaves so far, and while they are delicious, the boule flattens out when I take it out of the proofing bowl. The resulting loaf is disc like. I'm guessing I need to improve upon my boule forming technique. Secondly, the crust of my bread is very hard. Some would say it's burnt! It seems like this could be fixed by either a lower initial heat OR less time at the initial heat. I'll try both, but I wonder if you have a suggestion.

Dear Reader:
Sounds like many of my early loaves. Try reducing the water by 10 grams or so. Also, when you form the boule, kind of dredge it in flour on the countertop. That can help create service tension to hold the shape. As for the crust, check your oven with an oven thermometer. In terms of reducing the heat, I still light the high heat to start with, then reducing after 10-15 minutes. If all else fails, make a batard instead. I've become a big fan of batards since writing the book. Good luck!

Parisian Bakeries
I've read $64 Tomato and then read you 52 Loaves with much interest after hearing you on NPR. I am vacationing in Paris and made a list of the Parisian bakeries that you recommended before I left but left the list at home - any chance that you have it in list form that you could email me? Please?

Dear Reader:
Not without your e-mail address, I can't...but I can reply here: Eric Kayser (try his pain de mie), Poilâne (of course), Boulangerie Gana for his "flute", said to be the best baguette in Paris (I didn't make it there, however), Basil Kamir, and Poujauran (near the Eiffel Tower) has the best baguette I tasted in Paris. Bon Appetit! The doctor will be in France next week. Let's hope they stop these strikes!

Biga and Poolish
First of all, I loved your book. My grandfather owned multiple bakeries before I was born. Bread has to be in my veins somewhere! You excited me enough to find out. I do have some confusion though. Is a poolish and a biga the same thing? I have a baker who would like to share their levain with me but I didn't know if maybe a poolish was a better place to begin. Then I read a biga recipe and the reviewers said it wasn't for a beginner. Now I am not sure what to try first!

Dear Reader:
Well, there are no absolutes here, but in general, a biga is a thick poolish; that is, with more the consistency of dough than batter. Both are considered "pre-ferments" that give the bread improved flavor and texture and both are freshly usually made with commercial yeast (though bakers who bake every day often keep their bigas going by using a bit of today's dough for tomorrow). I don't why a recipe would scare off readers from using a biga. But if a baker is offering you a leavin, TAKE IT! It will, in my opinion, do much more for your bread than either of the others, and an established levain is easy to care for. Good luck!

Sticky dough, bread not too bad!
Mr. Alexander, I went ahead and baked the super sticky dough (see below) and it turned out to be an edible bread =) Our family had it for dinner and the boys loved it. It was strangely shaped, though. I wonder if it was the fact that I didn't use the rye flour in your recipe; I only had bread and whole wheat flours at home. I will try a bit less water next time. I'm using the KA brand, and I noticed they have a "white whole wheat" flour with 13% protein, higher than their bread flour. Have you used this one instead of regular white flour? Using some more whole wheat would make my baking even more acceptable for my wife... though she's far from complaining!

Dear Reader:
I doubt that the rye flour mattered much. I just use it for flavor and it has similar properties to the whole wheat you substituted for it. I just started a batch of bread myself, and was reminded just how wet and almost gloppy it is. I wouldn't say sticky, as it pulls almost clean off the countertop, but I suspect your dough is just fine -- but not what you're used to or expectd. I have used the KA whole wheat white, but not in this recipe. It's a lighter strain of whole wheat flour for those who want whole wheat but not the dense, dark bread that whole wheat makes. I'd say if it makes your wife happy, give it a try, either using half and half or going right to 100% whole wheat. You may need to add more water and another pinch of yeast, as the bran tends to absorb more water. Let me know how it turns out!

Sticky dough
Mr. Alexander, Thanks for your response on "levain not bubbling" below. I started a new one with very hazy plums and blueberries and got much better results. Today was the day to make my first loaf. But I ended up with very sticky dough. I hand kneaded for 10min, 15min, and it was still sticky. I got a little smoother after 30min, so I stopped to let it sit for 5 hours. When it came time to move to colander, it was very sticky again. I may put it in the trash and try again next Sunday. Advice? Thanks.

Dear Reader:
Congratulations on the levain. As far as the sticky dough, I suspect it was a little too wet. Perhaps the brand of flour you're using doesn't absorb as much water as the King Arthur I use. So you might solve the problem by simply adding add'l flour. But note that this kind of dough will be stickier than what you mother mixed up because it *is* wetter, and there isn't anything intrinsically wrong with sticky. Ideally, it should be tacky to the counter but pull away almost clean and the first few turns. Check out my kneading video to get a better idea. Sorry I don't have a more definitive answer, but let me know how you make out.

Hydration %
I just made my first loaf of your peasant bread. I'm a bit confused about the water % of the total weight. I followed your recipe exactly and assuming the Levain is 50/50 water/flour my calcs on the total % of water in the bread come to only 40% which seems too low (and the bread was pretty dry!) grams % wght --------------- All-Purpose Flour 400 38% Levain Flour 130 12% Levain Water 130 12% <----- Whole Wheat Flour 60 6% Rye Flour 30 3% Salt 13 1% Water 292 28% <----- -------------- ------ Total Grams 1055 Total Water % 40% Yeast 1/8 tsp A lot of what I've read talks about 60 to 65% water. Have I missed something ?

Dear Reader:
Aha! You need to (re)read Week 19! Everyone makes this mistake at one time or another, but the hydration is the percentage of water to the flour, not to the total (water+flour+salt+yeast). So, we have 620g flour and 422 g water. The hydration (or baker's percentage of water) is thus 422/620 = 68%. I'm surprised you found the dough dry, however. It's usually a pretty moist dough, but if it feels dry next time, add more water. Different flours have different properties. Thanks for the question, and good luck!

Beginner
I,too, heard about your book on NPR. Last night when I arrived with you at Abbaye Saint-Wandrille I decided it was about time for me to become a player. I've placed an initial order with King Arthur ...... can't wait to get started. Thanks for a fabulous read! No doubt, there will be a host of questions to follow.

Dear Reader:
Welcome to the dark arts. I look forward to hearing from you when you start baking!

Levain not bubbling/growing
Mr. Alexander, I'm on Day 4 of the levain, and it has only produced a few bubbles. Also, it's apparently not growing in volume. I started with local peaches. Yesterday (Day 3) I did two feedings instead of one hoping to make something happen. Any suggestions? Thanks!

Dear Reader:
Hmm. I wonder if there's something in the peaches that yeast doesn't like. Was the peach water fermenting (i.e., bubbling and had an alcohol-like aroma) before you added the flour? If not, I'd have to suspect the peaches and would have you start over using apples or grapes. If you peach water *was* fermenting, you may not be stirring enough at this stage. Try whipping some air into it several times and day, and if you still can't revive it, start over -- there's no shame in that.

Tackiness Revisited
Thank you for your advice. Ive decided to start a new levain. I used two while apples instead of one apple and the peal of an additional apple. I also let the apples set on the window sills for several day hoping to grow a little haze on the skins. I chopped the apples and set them in a bowl of water (4 cups). Three days later I think I have yeast. The amount of bubbles on the surface of the water is much more evident than my last try. It almost looks like a yeast proof one would expect from store bought yeast in warm water. Thanks for your advice. Robert

Dear Reader:
If the levain doesn't work out, it sounds like you're on the way to good apple jack, at least. Mmmmm....apple jack....

Oven Spring Redux
I think I may have stumbled on the solution. The first rise more than doubled in two hours so I formed a boule and proofed for one hour. I got nice oven spring and beautiful grignes.

Dear Reader:
Hey Rick, Glad you found the solution to your oven spring problem while the doctor making a house call. Especially since I didn't have a solution. Bon appetit!

Oven Spring
Dear Dr Bread, I am having a great time baking peasant bread using your recipe and techniques, thank you. I have a problem with oven spring. I use a 30 lb granite slab as a baking stone. I preheat to 500 and reduce to 480 after browning, etc. My changes to your recipe are: making a poolish with 30g rolled oats, 60g whole wheat flour, 50g bread flour, 292g water, and 1/4t active dry yeast. The poolish sits at 75 degrees for eight hours then I make the dough with 260g nicely active levain, all of the poolish, and 350g bread flour. I autolise for 25 min then add 8g salt. Knead for 7 min. Let rise for 4 hours. Gently degas, form the boule and let it rise for 1 1/2 hours in a floured cotton cloth in a colander. I slash with my homemade lame, pop it onto my granite slab, and pour 1C water into a hot pan on the bottom shelf. The result is delicious but it doesn't spring as high as the picture of your loaf. Any thoughts? Rick M

Dear Reader:
Beats me.

Tactiness
Dear Mr. Alexander, I loved your book. I've struggled for years trying to make bread. I've tried your recipe twice (Peasant Bread) and am only able to produce a loaf of brick. The dough consistancy before placed in the oven is so moist, it can't hold any shape. I'm wondering if the levain is too watery or if I should use more flower while shaping the boule. Help. Robert Macfarlane 8A Columbia Drive Londonderry, NH 03053

Dear Reader:
Hi Robert, Hmm. If it's not holding its shape, it does sound too wet. Try adding a little more flour. Also, since it sounds like the bread isn't rising, are you sure your levain is good? It should become bubbly a couple of hours after feeding. Finally, after dealing with those issues, you might try forming the dough into two batards instead of a boule. The higher ratio of crust to crumb can help out a troubled loaf. Let the doctor know you make out.

levain
Should I add a little whole wheat flour to my levain occasionally or just stick with the bread flour? Also, I couldn't find King Arthur bread flour in my local grocery so I bought Stone-Buhr bread flour. The protein content is higher than King Arthur (5g/30g serving vs 4g/30g). The bread turned out fine so I guess it doesn't matter that much?

Dear Reader:
I don't add whole wheat to my levain, but there are bakers who do. It will change the character of it a bit,so you might want to first experiment with only half of it. And of course, once you add whole wheat to it, you can no longer make true white bread (e.g., baguettes) with it. Stone-Buhr bread flour has a listed protein content of 11.5 - 12.1%, right in line with the KA all-purpose flour that I use, so you're in good shape there. (The grams of protein listed on the bag is an approximation: I like to to to a company's website for exact specifications.)

Can a stone be too thick?
I bought a 16x36 inch slab of 3cm thick granite and had it cut down to 14x18 to fit my oven. I preheated the oven to 500 degrees. It took nearly an hour for the heating element to cycle off. When I reduced the heat to 480 the element came on for a brief time to make up for the lost heat while the door was open but after that the element never came on again. The bread was nicely done in twenty minutes. Is it baking too fast?

Dear Reader:
Wow, that *is* a thick stone (and probably a beautiful one as well), but I don't think it's too thick. What you're really doing is kind of cool: simulating a wood-fired brick or clay oven, where the fire is extinguished before baking, with the walls of the oven providing the heat. If the bread is good, and cooked all the way through, then stick with it; otherwise you might try turning down the oven a bit, in 25-degree increments.

The reason for the long preheating time btw is more due to the fact that the stone interferes with circulation and stops the heat from reaching the thermostat sensor than the thickness of the stone. I use my oven's convection setting during pre-heating to get around that problem.

About those Hazy Apples..
Does the hazy apple have to be ripe? Our apple trees are loaded this year, but won't be ripe for another month at best. Do I have to wait, or can I go snag one and try it now?

Dear Reader:
I'd say you go ahead and grab a couple now. The only thing you'll be missing is the bonus of added natural sugar, which many starter recipes don't worry about. And you could always add a pinch of sugar to the apple water if after a couple of days it hasn't begun to smell a bit cidery.

Any Ideas for a stone?
What type of pizza stone? Where do you buy a good one? What do I look for? Thanks

Dear Reader:
You can't go wrong with the one from from King Arthur. In terms of what to look for, the thicker the better. And stay away from anything that says it needs to be "cured" first. It will drive you out of your house with the smell.

Levain for Miche?
William, I want you to know that you have made me a hero among my family members! I have baked three loaves of Peasant Bread and six loaves of French Bread and they all turned out great. I want to attempt the Miche next and notice that it calls for 500 grams of levain. Do I just feed it 250 flour and 250 water 2 hours before I bake? Also, any idea where I can find fresh yeast? I live in Charlotte, NC. and can't find it anywhere. Online mail order? I really enjoyed your book and have three friends starting the process. Thank you! Bobby

Dear Reader:
Dear Hero, Depending on how much levain you have, you may want to build it up with an extra feeding or two before dipping into 250g of it. Or feed before baking, and replenish after. I've taken to feeding the night before, btw, which allows a little more time to bake the next day and also yields a slightly livelier levain. As for yeast, I don't use fresh yeast, only instant. I've seen it in some grocery store in the dairy section, but these days it's generally sold only in bulk. With its short shelf life, I wouldn't bother, unless your monks insist on it, as mine did. The instant is just fine, and more consistent.

Confused - 75 gm flour and 75 gm water
So this has been a great week watching the levain grow but unfortunately today, day 4, I sent it swimming. According to the directions, I added the remaining water which I assumed was from the reserved tap water. I had 500 ml left and added it all. Was it supposed to be remaining apple water? or resrvd. tap water? It would also be very helpful if you did not mix quarts, grams, cups. When you say 75 grams of flour and 75 grams of water, is that volume or weight? Am I supposed to measure weight or measure volume? Very confusing directions but I am determined and will try again. Please clarify. Leslie, Jul 18, 2010

Dear Reader:
Sorry you were confused, Leslie. Yes, you did indeed "send it swimming," but you may be able to rescue it. First let me try to clarify a couple of things that I admit were not totally clear: 1. "Reserved tap water" refers to the the quart or so of tap water that you started with and first used to make the apple water. 2. Whenever I use volume references (a quart of tap water, a cup for the apples) these are imprecise measurements that don't really have to be precise because we are just getting some "raw ingredients" ready that we'll weigh out later in the course of making the levain. 3. "Grams" is a measure of weight, not volume, so wherever you see "grams" you weigh. In fact, other than the case I gave above, you always weigh. 4. On the last day, I wanted you to add "the remaining 100 g of flour and 100 g water," not all the remaining water. So you added, as I think you've realized now, 400 g (or 400 ml -- same thing) too much water. If you still have the levain, try adding another 400 g of flour, to get back to your 50/50 ratio. If it starts bubbling in a few hours, you're good to go. Hope this makes sense! Let me know how you make out.

Bread for Celiac. Where to buy it.
Hi, I want to know where I can order bread for Celiac people like me. You mentioned this on the radio with Diane Rhem, but I can't remember. Also is your bread good for Celiac? At the moment I cannot make it b/c I have 5 kids Thank you for all, Marta

Dear Reader:
Hi, Marta. I'm afraid all I said to Diane was that I wasn't familiar with it, not having the problem myself. You might want to check the King Arthur Flour website. They sell a gluten-free flour (and a cook book) but I've never tried either. Best of luck.

baking time
I found that my loaf was done after just 35 mintues. I preheated to 500, baked for twenty minutes at 480, and reduced to 425 for the next 15 minutes. I was baking on a 3 inch thick, flattish piece of rough basalt. I left the loaf on parchment paper and the paper charred. The loaf was delicious. I live at 5000 ft elevation. Why didn't baking time take 50-60 minuts as per recipe? Rick M

Dear Reader:
Simply lower your altitude by 5,000 feet and you'll be fine. Re parchment paper, yes, it will char in a 500-degree oven. Once I went to that high a temp (I actually preheat to 525 these days) I stopped using it, switching instead to a Super Peel or rice flour on a wooden peel.

Tour
Heard the NPR interview and just started chapter 1. Fantastic! I own a restaurant that champions sustainable fish, the sources of and ultimately the food we eat... Our food rusticly recreates dishes like coq au vin with fish, and believe every meal begins with eyes and nose. Long story short, I'd really like to see you out in sf (hey, raj patel is out here tonight). I believe authors both draw and advise consumers to better and brighter view, and there are many outstanding restaurants besides us that would fill the house to have you host a dinner and book signing. Thoughts? Bill Foss. Bill@331fish.com. 415 465 9100

Dear Reader:
"Coq au vin with fish" -- isn't that "poisson au vin"? Regardless, keep up the good work, and maybe I'll be able to catch up with you on my next tour.

Can't throw away the Levain!
I have found the perfect bread after ~40 years! I'm still treating the Levain as an infant, but can't stand the thought of throwing away some just to feed. Thus, I go ahead and start the process and after kneading, I just immediately seal in a clean (no soap) plastic container with lid and store in refrigerator until I can bake as usual. I have now stored for 6 days prior to baking and it was great as usual. How many days do you think I can store in cold prior to baking and can you freeze?

Dear Reader:
Congrats on your perfect bread! Only 40 years? Actually, if I bake at least once a week, I never throw away levain. I feed the night before with the amount I'm going to use in the bread, so I maintain a steady supply. You can safely go a week between feedings with a mature, refrigerated levain. I've heard you can freeze it, but I've never tried it.

Protractor
Bought and love your book after NPR interview. Didn't have a scraper so used my kids' protractor. Works great!

Dear Reader:
Not surprised ... I use my bench scraper for my kids' math homework.

Question on the levain
I heard your spot on NPR a couple weeks ago and have been trying to use your bread recipe. My question stems from the fact that I live in Phoenix so I was curious if the recipe should be tweaked at all due to the dry climate. One way that I can help you answer the question is that after the 3 day period for the apple water and after Day 1 my levain has risen and formed a crust over the top. I was able to salvage the dough underneath and add water and flour but not sure if I need to start over. Is the Levain supposed to watery or almost like a dough? From the start of Day 1 it has had a dough consistency. Again I am concerned about the dry air and possible excessive evaporation during the Apple water phase.

Dear Reader:
I would think that Phoenix in summer can certainly have an effect not only on your levain but on your dough, so you might need to increase the water. However, the levain does start out a little stiff. It will get thinner later, to the consistency of thick pancake batter. But it shouldn't be as stiff as dough. Add a little more water, and don't worry too much about the correct ratios as this point, as add the subsequent additions of equal parts (by weight) of flour and water will even things out in the end. Good luck!

Funky Smell
I'm almost finished with the levain. My question is about the funky smell you mention. The undisturbed, bubbly levain has only a very faint, doughy aroma. But the gas trapped in the bubbles, while not unpleasant, is pungent and cidery. Since funky is in the eye of the beholder, I thought I'd ask your opinion. Thanks for a rollicking good time so far.

Dear Reader:
That's the alcohol in the bubbles you're smelling, and "pungent and cider" sounds perfect. Keep whipping in air and, with any luck, you're on your way - Bon appetit!

My First Peasant Bread Had Wonderful Holes...But
I followed your peasant bread recipe with my new scale, but the dough was too moist so I added more flour. The crust looks like the best bread and it had great holes,the only problem was the crumb in between the holes is tight, heavy, and slightly moist. I was given a very good starter for Fathers Day. So, not the perfect loaf yet but close. Impressive for the first one. I was at your reading in Portland, OR Your booked opened a whole new world of bread making, I was in the inconsistent rut of hit and miss. Thank You for the great book, I enjoyed your time in the Abbaye Saint=Wandrille. Craig

Dear Reader:
Hi Craig, That was a fun event in Portland. Re your bread, it's very possible that the dough *wasn't* too wet. Bakers today use much wetter doughs than, say, Fannie Farmer. That being said, opening up the crumb was the focus of much of my year of baking, so I know exactly what you're talking about (and unfortunately don't have an answer). As for the moistness, don't be afraid to bake the bread to a deep brown -- almost burned, and you can turn the oven off and leave the loaf in there for 20 minutes with the door cracked open for a bit. Also, try forming two batards, instead a boule. The thinner loaf and higher ratio of crust to crumb helps dry out the bread. But it sounds like not a bad start for your loaf with my recipe. -- Dr. Bill

Wild Yeas vs. pinch of dry yest starter
Dear William, I just enjoyed reading your book, congratulations! Clay oven is my next dream project. I am originally form Ukraine and almost a year ago I started baking my own version of black Russian that I grew up eating. I use my own starter that I made from whole wheat flower or rye and water. I also added a pinch of dry yeast to it in the beginning. I guess it was cheating, but I really like the final product. Now after reading your book I started my own "honest" starter from black currants. It is the only fruit I have in my garden now. It got bubbles alright, but smells very different, not bad smell, but very different. I like my old starter better. Any ideas why it is so different? Or it is simply not matured yet? Also, can you recommend where I can find information of health benefits of using wild yeast vs. dry yeast kind. And finally, I make my own cottage cheese and use left over whey instead of water. It is healthier and I read that it makes it bake more even. I can't discard anything, so if I have more starter, I use more starter and if I have left over oats from kids breakfast it goes into bread too.:-) inna

Dear Reader:
Hi Inna, Without smelling your starter, it's hard to say, but it does take a while (a month or so) for it to mature. Make sure to whip in plenty of air to favor yeast over bacteria. Give it a chance, and if you don't like it, stick with your old starter. I'll bet you there's more wild yeast in there than commercial at this point. I'm not aware of any health benefits of wild yeast vs. dry. I love that you use the whey from homemade cottage cheese(!) in your bread and that you don't throw anything away. Thanks for the note.

Confused about use grams for liquids
Deaa William, I have made my starter and the dough is rising but you have me all confused!! Being the Dutch farmers daughter I thanbk you for your reply. I grew up with the metric system and I was pleased to see the use of grams. But when you used grams for liquid .......... I stopped. Liquid always goes in liters, deciliters or centiliters whith a small quantity and grams is for solid weight. On page 326 you say: 'take 75 gram of water and 75 gram of the flour mixture feeding the levain'. You use the same amount of weight but on page 328 you write: 'that same amount of water and flour( in a ratio of 3 parts water and 1 part flour)'. What am I missing? How can a ratio of 3:1 be the same as equal parts? Translating solid grams to liquid liters also is a problem, what system is being used here? Cheerio, Nicolien

Dear Reader:
Nocolien, I don't know what they teach about the metric system in the Netherlands, but 100 ml water weighs 100 grams. Sure, you can measure it by volume if you're more comfortable with that, but I guarantee you'll get more accurate results if you weight out 100 grams instead. You can weigh anything: solid, liquid, or gas. Regarding the other question, I have to plead guilty to confusing wording. What I mean to say is to replace the gray water that accumulates on top of the starter with an approximately equivalent amount of the water/flour mixture that it consists of, which is about a 3:1 ratio. So if you pour off 40g on grey water, replace with 30g of water and 10g flour -- clear? Glad to hear you made a successful starter -- you're halfway there!

wild yeast
can you also get "wild yeast" from the "haziness" on plums???

Dear Reader:
I would think so. I'd throw in like 3, split into quarter, and see what happens.

grape starter
Bill/William,I truly enjoyed your NPR interview! I am hoping on recieving your book for Fathers day.I would like to use grapes from my garden to get a starter going, can you give me advice on amount (weight) of grapes to begin with.I will then adapt to your apple starter recipe. Thank you, David

Dear Reader:
Thanks. Hope you got the Father's Day gift you deserve. As far as the grapes go, I'd throw in like three handfuls. The amount isn't critical, as you're going to discard them later anyway. Let me know how it works out.

pumpernickel bread recipe
Hi William, I'm presently making a dark rye bread that calls for 1/2 cup of molasses and 1/4 cup of cocoa powder. Is it possible to lower these amounts and receive the same results that I have been getting for a perfect bread? Harris again!

Dear Reader:
You again, Harris? If this is a foreshadowing of what's going to happen when we all have free health care, we're gonna need a lot more doctors. Anyway, I'm bailing out on you on this one. I've no idea. Perhaps you should consult a specialist. That being said...try it; what's the worst that can happen. Flour is cheap.

top falls in is back
Hi William, I'm glad that you have nothing to do except answer questions from pains like us retired dad's. I have reduced the yeast by a 1/4 tsp. How much more can I reduce it by and not compromise the results? I have always made my breads using King Arthur Flour. Harris

Dear Reader:
It's indeed a sad state of affairs. I need a life. Now, are you using KA bread machine flour, or all purpose? (Use the machine flour, if you're not). Try reducing the yeast by half of the original amount. But keep in mind you're taking advice (or not) from someone who (with all this idle time on his hands) never uses a bread machine (OK, so I used it once [chapter 38]), so take this all with a grain of salt. Or yeast. Or whatever....

top falls in is back
Hi William, I appreciate your fast response, but I'm afraid that my daughter who now uses the Breadman would not be eating this healthy bread that she makes in my old machine if she had to hand knead it. So, I'm back to the same question, why is the bread falling after the final rise, and it starts to bake and falls in, in the middle?

Dear Reader:
Bet if you gave her a copy of the book she would :) Kneading my way only takes 5 minutes!! (Less time than to clean the bread machine, but some people use the machine ONLY to knead, and bake the bread in the oven, which isn't a bad compromise.) In any event, as much as it pains me to even attempt to diagnose bread machine problems,the bread doctor's Hippocratic oath requires him to treat all patients. So... Sounds like the bread is over-rising, so I'd cut back on the yeast and maybe use a really high-gluten flour like King Arthur bread flour if problems persist. (Now be a good dad and give your daughter a good read...even if she sticks with Mr. Breadman!)

Reviving levain
I enjoyed your interview on the Diane Rehm Show and appreciate your interest in creating good bread; as compared with so many recent works which offer bread that conforms to a modern hectic lifestyle. Your efforts have rekindled my interest in a project from last fall. And therein lies my question. Back in the fall I acquired a small quantity of grapes from a local organic vineyard and extracted a levain from it. A number of loaves later the results were promising but far short of truly good bread. Over the winter I stopped working with the levain and left it in the refrigerator for several months. The color and texture has not changed. Can this levain be revived? Can you offer suggestions on how to do so? Is there a better method of storing levain when you are not using it for more than a short time?

Dear Reader:
I suspect that if you haven't used your levain for a few months, it's dead. An easy test: add some flour and water and leave it out for a few hours. If you don't get any bubbling (or it smells foul), it's dead, so you'll need to start over (local grapes are a good way to start, btw). If you're not baking regularly, you need to feed the levain weekly or so (you may need to discard some first so you don't end up with a barrel of the stuff. Now, I've heard that you can freeze it, but I've never tried that, so take with a grain of salt.

Hazy apple?
What does a hazy apple look like?

Dear Reader:
It kind of looks like the haze that appears on the inside of the windshield of your car (which is caused by outgassing of the plastics used in the interior). I suspect most apples, hazy or not, have wild yeast on them (as does the flour you'll be adding), but I feel better using one that has a visible haze.

Digital version
Is this book going to be released in a digital version, and if so when?

Dear Reader:
52 Loaves should, I've been told, be available in all popular digital formats (Kindle, Nook, and others) within a couple of weeks. Thanks for your patience!

How do I get black Russian bread darker?
My Black Russian bread comes out brown, but not as dark as I see in the store. Is Black Russian the same as Pumpernickel?

Dear Reader:
I believe that both of those breads (and I think black Russian is a little heavier than pump.) actually get their dark color from the addition of artificial coloring, which you certainly don't want to do at home. But you can make dark rye or pumpernickel at home by adding about a tablespoon of molasses and either a couple of teaspoons of liquid caramel coloring (or cocoa or coffee powder dissolved in a 2 tablespoons of water). Let me know if you succeed!

Dutch farmers daughter
Being a Dutch farmers daughter I remember my dad growing wheat, tasting it in the field to see if it was "ripe" for harvest. He even had seeds sprout on a plate with a wet tissue underneath and a plate on top again. He wanted to know how soon and how well the seed would grow. The harvest went to the miller where we could pick up part of the flour and sell the rest. He complained in the 60ties that the americvan grain was harder, dryer and thus cheaper since the miller got more flour from less wheat. So much of the Dutch grain went to the pigs and what have you. I have lived in the USA now for 27 years and have always complained about their terrible breads as well as their bad coffee. Your voice on the Diane Rehm show came just in time since several breads I baked did not taste at all what I was looking for. Thanks, off to buy your book and start my own starter! Good luck. Nicolien

Dear Reader:
Hi Nicolien, Thanks for the very enjoyable note. Your father is right: American grain (esp. from the northern plains) is much harder than European grain. Ironically, Europe now imports quite a bit of it, as some bakers over there prefer a harder flour. Now, regarding bread, I have a German friend who, when she tasted my bread, said, "Now this is the bread I remember!" so hopefully my recipes will evoke the same reaction from you. Bon appetit!

top falls in
Hi William, Enjoyed listening to you this morning on NPR and decided that you could fix my problem. When I make a oatmeal wheat bread recipe in my Breadman machine everything looks great, but after the final rise and it start to bake the end result comes out with the bread falling down in the center.It bakes fine, but I cannot figure out why this happens all the time.

Dear Reader:
Your faith in me is humbling. But I'm wondering if you heard the part of the interview where I said to throw out the bread machine :) Just for kicks, try the same recipe, but without Mr. Breadman. After mixing the ingredients together, let it rest for a half hour before you begin kneading (or you can knead using the machine, then remove the dough for the fermentation and proofing steps). Bake in a loaf pan or free form on a pizza stone and see if it still falls.

mixer vs. kneading
Hi William, I've just fired my bread machine and want to learn to make bread by hand...no mixer. Is there a mixing time/knead time formula to follow for recipes that do not include instructions for hand kneading OR, is it all by feel? (And if so, what's the feel)?

Dear Reader:
Congratulations on liberating yourself from that lousy machine! Now, I hate to tell you this, but...the answers to hyour question are all in 52 Loaves. Just click on that little "Buy" link on the top of the page. (The short answer, it's a little of both, plus experience, which makes it sound harder than it is.)

Sourdough
Loved you interview on Dianne's show. Thanks! I have a 16 year old sourdough that I've made pizza dough with. Lately, I don't seem to notice any activity when I take it out to breath or make dough, regardless of whether I add flour, yeast, sugar, anything to it. It still makes a pretty good dough,but I'm wondering if it might be "dead", so to speak. Any ideas? I'm intrigued by the apple skin method of creating a starter and would like to know more about that as well. Jim in Texas

Dear Reader:
Hi Jim, Sounds to the bread doctor like the patient isn't breathing. I assume you're adding other leavening; otherwise if your breads are rising the sourdough isn't dead. If you want to make a new one, go to the "recipes" section and look up "building a levain." Ever better, read 52 Loaves, which has a full chapter on doing this. Good luck!

attachments
This is not pertaining to artisian breads, but breads for a restaurant. When i started working here i was told to use the paddle attachement on all breads for our 60 qt hobart. Im educated enough in bread to know that all the paddle does to gluten is tear it apart. i would prefer to use the hook but cant seem to get it through their thick skulls. whats something i can tell them?

Dear Reader:
I'm afraid this question is out the bread doctor's area of specialty (home baking). But why let that stop me...I would suggest you propose doing a test: A small batch with the paddle, and one with the hook, and have all the employees do a blind tasting to see which one is best.

Wheat
What variety of wheat is best for making bread? Which seed supplier would this variety be available from?

Dear Reader:
You could ask 2 bakers that question and get 3 answers. I planted hard winter wheat, though apparently due to my soil conditions, the wheat turned out rather soft...but still made good bread. Some bakers prefer soft wheat, so it comes down to when you want to plant/harvest your wheat. You could still plant spring wheat now, for instance, while winter wheat isn't planted till the fall. I can't help you with a source -- I just bought a couple of seed packets from a catalog...and it didn't even have the variety, just said "winter wheat." But good luck with it! Highly suggest the read 52 LOAVES first, though. Lots of tips on doing this.

ciabatta
How wet is the dough for ciabatta bread? I struggle between wet enough to make big holes and firm enough to hold it's shape.

Dear Reader:
That struggle you describe pretty much sums it up. It's close to a gloppy dough, but I haven't made enough ciabatta to give you a hydration percentage. Using plenty of flour on the countertop as you shape the loaf (you kind of stretch it out and fold it back on itself) will help it hold its shape in the folds of a couche as it proofs. Then, get it into a *real* hot oven damn quick - it will flatten out some as it hits the stone, but then pop back up when the oven spring kicks in. If you're not getting holes, add more water next time. Weigh everything and keep a log till you get it right!

Starting a starter
I plan on creating my starter soon. I know that baking recipes are precise. How important is it to the survival of the starter to be exact with the ingredients? I always "eyeball" the ingredients when I make bread. I just want to insure my success.

Dear Reader:
To the survival of the starter, the ratio is not critical at all. But to later use the starter in recipes that assume your starter has 50% hydration level is another story. Since you say you want to insure you success, the only way to do that is to weigh the ingredients. So, you may as well get off on the right foot, get your scale now, and build your starter by weight, not eyes. On the right-hand side of my blog you will see a link to an inexpensive one that I recommend.

Ingredients
Greetings, I just read the Poughkeepsie Journal article. You are my new hero! I am currently in the middle stages of my own bread baking quest. I have been cooking/baking since 1977. I owned/operated a pizzeria from 1988 until 2003. Now I bake at home for my family and friends. I am able to achieve fair/good results most of the time. Finding the right flour was my toughest challenge thus far. High gluten is what I like. Thank the baking Gods for King Arthur. Pizza dough is what I make mostly. Flat bread is another favorite of ours.Flat bread on a grill is awesome. I love peasant bread, however I can't even come close to making any. Now after reading your article, I will definately purchase your new book. I am newly inspired to expand my bread making tecniques. I also plan on getting a pizza oven some day. Either having one installed in our kitchen. Or the kind that sits outside.More time needs to be invested in research there. I have a pizza stone, but nothing produces the same results as a real stone cooking surface. Wood fired is my dream. I also love a good craft beer, especially porters/stouts/IPA's. But I'm not ready to make my own just yet. Cheers! Michael

Dear Reader:
Thanks for the note, Michael. Oddly, I started with bread and have been gravitating towards pizza. Perhaps we'll pass each other midway. If you're near Poughkeepsie May 1, stop by the Artist's Palate at 4:00 for a taste of my peasant bread (plus other breads and olive oils).

rye bread
why do i get air pockets in loaves of bread after baking them

Dear Reader:
We should all be so lucky. I spent a good part of my baking year trying to get some gas pockets into my bread, and they're especially hard to achieve in heavier breads like your rye. These voids are the result of the anaerobic respiration of the yeast (the same action responsible for bread rising), which occurs while the bread is both fermenting and proofing (aka the second rise) and also during the first few minutes of baking when, in a process call "oven spring," the high temperature of the oven fuels the metabolism of the yeast, and they exhale like crazy in a furious frenzy. Until they die. Now, why do these gases sometimes produce an even rising and yield bread with the consistency of a sponge, and sometimes coalesce into pockets? Good question, and I wish I had a scientific answer. I have found that using a levain, or starter (or sourdough), will usually give you more air pockets, as will using a really hot oven, like 550 degrees for the first few minutes, but it changes from one loaf to the next, and I have to confess, it's a bit of a mystery to me.

white bread
i forgot the salt. what will happen

Dear Reader:
Hmm...This sounds like a setup, but the doctor will answer, regardless. Three possibilities: 1) If you're me, you'll realize that this is yet another symptom of a failing mind, and get a humiliating mental status workup (Chapter 28: A Mind is a Terrible Thing to Waste); 2) You will have to eat a loaf of tasteless bread, which is so bad it won't even make decent toast; or 3) Congratulations! You just made a classic Pane Tuscano. You're a better baker than you think.

Storing bread
What's the best way to store homemade bread?

Dear Reader:
The best way to to eat it quickly, so you don't have to do. But if you must, leave it on the counter, cut down down, on a breadboard. Never wrap in plastic or place in the fridge, which hastens staling.

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