Have a question about making bread? Sourdough? Babies? Ask the Bread Doctor. (That's me, your faithful author, dummy!)
Sticky dough, bread not too bad!
Mr. Alexander, I went ahead and baked the super sticky dough (see below) and it turned out to be an edible bread =) Our family had it for dinner and the boys loved it. It was strangely shaped, though. I wonder if it was the fact that I didn't use the rye flour in your recipe; I only had bread and whole wheat flours at home. I will try a bit less water next time. I'm using the KA brand, and I noticed they have a "white whole wheat" flour with 13% protein, higher than their bread flour. Have you used this one instead of regular white flour? Using some more whole wheat would make my baking even more acceptable for my wife... though she's far from complaining!
Dear Reader:
I doubt that the rye flour mattered much. I just use it for flavor and it has similar properties to the whole wheat you substituted for it. I just started a batch of bread myself, and was reminded just how wet and almost gloppy it is. I wouldn't say sticky, as it pulls almost clean off the countertop, but I suspect your dough is just fine -- but not what you're used to or expectd.
I have used the KA whole wheat white, but not in this recipe. It's a lighter strain of whole wheat flour for those who want whole wheat but not the dense, dark bread that whole wheat makes. I'd say if it makes your wife happy, give it a try, either using half and half or going right to 100% whole wheat. You may need to add more water and another pinch of yeast, as the bran tends to absorb more water. Let me know how it turns out!
Sticky dough
Mr. Alexander,
Thanks for your response on "levain not bubbling" below. I started a new one with very hazy plums and blueberries and got much better results.
Today was the day to make my first loaf. But I ended up with very sticky dough. I hand kneaded for 10min, 15min, and it was still sticky. I got a little smoother after 30min, so I stopped to let it sit for 5 hours. When it came time to move to colander, it was very sticky again. I may put it in the trash and try again next Sunday. Advice? Thanks.
Dear Reader:
Congratulations on the levain. As far as the sticky dough, I suspect it was a little too wet. Perhaps the brand of flour you're using doesn't absorb as much water as the King Arthur I use. So you might solve the problem by simply adding add'l flour. But note that this kind of dough will be stickier than what you mother mixed up because it *is* wetter, and there isn't anything intrinsically wrong with sticky. Ideally, it should be tacky to the counter but pull away almost clean and the first few turns. Check out my kneading video to get a better idea. Sorry I don't have a more definitive answer, but let me know how you make out.
Hydration %
I just made my first loaf of your peasant bread. I'm a bit confused about the water % of the total weight. I followed your recipe exactly and assuming the Levain is 50/50 water/flour my calcs on the total % of water in the bread come to only 40% which seems too low (and the bread was pretty dry!)
grams % wght
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All-Purpose Flour 400 38%
Levain Flour 130 12%
Levain Water 130 12% <-----
Whole Wheat Flour 60 6%
Rye Flour 30 3%
Salt 13 1%
Water 292 28% <-----
-------------- ------
Total Grams 1055
Total Water % 40%
Yeast 1/8 tsp
A lot of what I've read talks about 60 to 65% water.
Have I missed something ?
Dear Reader:
Aha! You need to (re)read Week 19! Everyone makes this mistake at one time or another, but the hydration is the percentage of water to the flour, not to the total (water+flour+salt+yeast). So, we have 620g flour and 422 g water. The hydration (or baker's percentage of water) is thus 422/620 = 68%. I'm surprised you found the dough dry, however. It's usually a pretty moist dough, but if it feels dry next time, add more water. Different flours have different properties. Thanks for the question, and good luck!
Beginner
I,too, heard about your book on NPR. Last night when I arrived with you at Abbaye Saint-Wandrille I decided it was about time for me to become a player. I've placed an initial order with King Arthur ...... can't wait to get started. Thanks for a fabulous read! No doubt, there will be a host of questions to follow.
Dear Reader:
Welcome to the dark arts. I look forward to hearing from you when you start baking!
Levain not bubbling/growing
Mr. Alexander,
I'm on Day 4 of the levain, and it has only produced a few bubbles. Also, it's apparently not growing in volume.
I started with local peaches. Yesterday (Day 3) I did two feedings instead of one hoping to make something happen.
Any suggestions? Thanks!
Dear Reader:
Hmm. I wonder if there's something in the peaches that yeast doesn't like. Was the peach water fermenting (i.e., bubbling and had an alcohol-like aroma) before you added the flour? If not, I'd have to suspect the peaches and would have you start over using apples or grapes. If you peach water *was* fermenting, you may not be stirring enough at this stage. Try whipping some air into it several times and day, and if you still can't revive it, start over -- there's no shame in that.
Tackiness Revisited
Thank you for your advice. Ive decided to start a new levain. I used two while apples instead of one apple and the peal of an additional apple. I also let the apples set on the window sills for several day hoping to grow a little haze on the skins. I chopped the apples and set them in a bowl of water (4 cups). Three days later I think I have yeast. The amount of bubbles on the surface of the water is much more evident than my last try. It almost looks like a yeast proof one would expect from store bought yeast in warm water. Thanks for your advice. Robert
Dear Reader:
If the levain doesn't work out, it sounds like you're on the way to good apple jack, at least. Mmmmm....apple jack....
Oven Spring Redux
I think I may have stumbled on the solution. The first rise more than doubled in two hours so I formed a boule and proofed for one hour. I got nice oven spring and beautiful grignes.
Dear Reader:
Hey Rick,
Glad you found the solution to your oven spring problem while the doctor making a house call. Especially since I didn't have a solution. Bon appetit!
Oven Spring
Dear Dr Bread, I am having a great time baking peasant bread using your recipe and techniques, thank you. I have a problem with oven spring. I use a 30 lb granite slab as a baking stone. I preheat to 500 and reduce to 480 after browning, etc. My changes to your recipe are: making a poolish with 30g rolled oats, 60g whole wheat flour, 50g bread flour, 292g water, and 1/4t active dry yeast. The poolish sits at 75 degrees for eight hours then I make the dough with 260g nicely active levain, all of the poolish, and 350g bread flour. I autolise for 25 min then add 8g salt. Knead for 7 min. Let rise for 4 hours. Gently degas, form the boule and let it rise for 1 1/2 hours in a floured cotton cloth in a colander. I slash with my homemade lame, pop it onto my granite slab, and pour 1C water into a hot pan on the bottom shelf. The result is delicious but it doesn't spring as high as the picture of your loaf. Any thoughts? Rick M
Dear Reader:
Beats me.
Tactiness
Dear Mr. Alexander,
I loved your book. I've struggled for years trying to make bread. I've tried your recipe twice (Peasant Bread) and am only able to produce a loaf of brick. The dough consistancy before placed in the oven is so moist, it can't hold any shape. I'm wondering if the levain is too watery or if I should use more flower while shaping the boule. Help.
Robert Macfarlane
8A Columbia Drive
Londonderry, NH 03053
Dear Reader:
Hi Robert,
Hmm. If it's not holding its shape, it does sound too wet. Try adding a little more flour. Also, since it sounds like the bread isn't rising, are you sure your levain is good? It should become bubbly a couple of hours after feeding. Finally, after dealing with those issues, you might try forming the dough into two batards instead of a boule. The higher ratio of crust to crumb can help out a troubled loaf. Let the doctor know you make out.
levain
Should I add a little whole wheat flour to my levain occasionally or just stick with the bread flour? Also, I couldn't find King Arthur bread flour in my local grocery so I bought Stone-Buhr bread flour. The protein content is higher than King Arthur (5g/30g serving vs 4g/30g). The bread turned out fine so I guess it doesn't matter that much?
Dear Reader:
I don't add whole wheat to my levain, but there are bakers who do. It will change the character of it a bit,so you might want to first experiment with only half of it. And of course, once you add whole wheat to it, you can no longer make true white bread (e.g., baguettes) with it.
Stone-Buhr bread flour has a listed protein content of 11.5 - 12.1%, right in line with the KA all-purpose flour that I use, so you're in good shape there. (The grams of protein listed on the bag is an approximation: I like to to to a company's website for exact specifications.)
Can a stone be too thick?
I bought a 16x36 inch slab of 3cm thick granite and had it cut down to 14x18 to fit my oven. I preheated the oven to 500 degrees. It took nearly an hour for the heating element to cycle off. When I reduced the heat to 480 the element came on for a brief time to make up for the lost heat while the door was open but after that the element never came on again. The bread was nicely done in twenty minutes. Is it baking too fast?
Dear Reader:
Wow, that *is* a thick stone (and probably a beautiful one as well), but I don't think it's too thick. What you're really doing is kind of cool: simulating a wood-fired brick or clay oven, where the fire is extinguished before baking, with the walls of the oven providing the heat. If the bread is good, and cooked all the way through, then stick with it; otherwise you might try turning down the oven a bit, in 25-degree increments.
The reason for the long preheating time btw is more due to the fact that the stone interferes with circulation and stops the heat from reaching the thermostat sensor than the thickness of the stone. I use my oven's convection setting during pre-heating to get around that problem.
About those Hazy Apples..
Does the hazy apple have to be ripe? Our apple trees are loaded this year, but won't be ripe for another month at best. Do I have to wait, or can I go snag one and try it now?
Dear Reader:
I'd say you go ahead and grab a couple now. The only thing you'll be missing is the bonus of added natural sugar, which many starter recipes don't worry about. And you could always add a pinch of sugar to the apple water if after a couple of days it hasn't begun to smell a bit cidery.
Any Ideas for a stone?
What type of pizza stone? Where do you buy a good one? What do I look for? Thanks
Dear Reader:
You can't go wrong with the one from from King Arthur. In terms of what to look for, the thicker the better. And stay away from anything that says it needs to be "cured" first. It will drive you out of your house with the smell.
Levain for Miche?
William, I want you to know that you have made me a hero among my family members! I have baked three loaves of Peasant Bread and six loaves of French Bread and they all turned out great. I want to attempt the Miche next and notice that it calls for 500 grams of levain. Do I just feed it 250 flour and 250 water 2 hours before I bake? Also, any idea where I can find fresh yeast? I live in Charlotte, NC. and can't find it anywhere. Online mail order? I really enjoyed your book and have three friends starting the process.
Thank you!
Bobby
Dear Reader:
Dear Hero,
Depending on how much levain you have, you may want to build it up with an extra feeding or two before dipping into 250g of it. Or feed before baking, and replenish after. I've taken to feeding the night before, btw, which allows a little more time to bake the next day and also yields a slightly livelier levain. As for yeast, I don't use fresh yeast, only instant. I've seen it in some grocery store in the dairy section, but these days it's generally sold only in bulk. With its short shelf life, I wouldn't bother, unless your monks insist on it, as mine did. The instant is just fine, and more consistent.
Confused - 75 gm flour and 75 gm water
So this has been a great week watching the levain grow but unfortunately today, day 4, I sent it swimming. According to the directions, I added the remaining water which I assumed was from the reserved tap water. I had 500 ml left and added it all. Was it supposed to be remaining apple water? or resrvd. tap water? It would also be very helpful if you did not mix quarts, grams, cups. When you say 75 grams of flour and 75 grams of water, is that volume or weight? Am I supposed to measure weight or measure volume? Very confusing directions but I am determined and will try again. Please clarify.
Leslie, Jul 18, 2010
Dear Reader:
Sorry you were confused, Leslie. Yes, you did indeed "send it swimming," but you may be able to rescue it. First let me try to clarify a couple of things that I admit were not totally clear:
1. "Reserved tap water" refers to the the quart or so of tap water that you started with and first used to make the apple water.
2. Whenever I use volume references (a quart of tap water, a cup for the apples) these are imprecise measurements that don't really have to be precise because we are just getting some "raw ingredients" ready that we'll weigh out later in the course of making the levain.
3. "Grams" is a measure of weight, not volume, so wherever you see "grams" you weigh. In fact, other than the case I gave above, you always weigh.
4. On the last day, I wanted you to add "the remaining 100 g of flour and 100 g water," not all the remaining water. So you added, as I think you've realized now, 400 g (or 400 ml -- same thing) too much water. If you still have the levain, try adding another 400 g of flour, to get back to your 50/50 ratio. If it starts bubbling in a few hours, you're good to go.
Hope this makes sense! Let me know how you make out.
Bread for Celiac. Where to buy it.
Hi, I want to know where I can order bread for Celiac people like me. You mentioned this on the radio with Diane Rhem, but I can't remember. Also is your bread good for Celiac? At the moment I cannot make it b/c I have 5 kids Thank you for all, Marta
Dear Reader:
Hi, Marta. I'm afraid all I said to Diane was that I wasn't familiar with it, not having the problem myself. You might want to check the King Arthur Flour website. They sell a gluten-free flour (and a cook book) but I've never tried either. Best of luck.
baking time
I found that my loaf was done after just 35 mintues. I preheated to 500, baked for twenty minutes at 480, and reduced to 425 for the next 15 minutes. I was baking on a 3 inch thick, flattish piece of rough basalt. I left the loaf on parchment paper and the paper charred. The loaf was delicious. I live at 5000 ft elevation. Why didn't baking time take 50-60 minuts as per recipe? Rick M
Dear Reader:
Simply lower your altitude by 5,000 feet and you'll be fine.
Re parchment paper, yes, it will char in a 500-degree oven. Once I went to that high a temp (I actually preheat to 525 these days) I stopped using it, switching instead to a Super Peel or rice flour on a wooden peel.
Tour
Heard the NPR interview and just started chapter 1. Fantastic! I own a restaurant that champions sustainable fish, the sources of and ultimately the food we eat... Our food rusticly recreates dishes like coq au vin with fish, and believe every meal begins with eyes and nose. Long story short, I'd really like to see you out in sf (hey, raj patel is out here tonight). I believe authors both draw and advise consumers to better and brighter view, and there are many outstanding restaurants besides us that would fill the house to have you host a dinner and book signing. Thoughts? Bill Foss. Bill@331fish.com. 415 465 9100
Dear Reader:
"Coq au vin with fish" -- isn't that "poisson au vin"? Regardless, keep up the good work, and maybe I'll be able to catch up with you on my next tour.
Can't throw away the Levain!
I have found the perfect bread after ~40 years! I'm still treating the Levain as an infant, but can't stand the thought of throwing away some just to feed. Thus, I go ahead and start the process and after kneading, I just immediately seal in a clean (no soap) plastic container with lid and store in refrigerator until I can bake as usual. I have now stored for 6 days prior to baking and it was great as usual. How many days do you think I can store in cold prior to baking and can you freeze?
Dear Reader:
Congrats on your perfect bread! Only 40 years?
Actually, if I bake at least once a week, I never throw away levain. I feed the night before with the amount I'm going to use in the bread, so I maintain a steady supply. You can safely go a week between feedings with a mature, refrigerated levain. I've heard you can freeze it, but I've never tried it.
Protractor
Bought and love your book after NPR interview. Didn't have a scraper so used my kids' protractor. Works great!
Dear Reader:
Not surprised ... I use my bench scraper for my kids' math homework.
Question on the levain
I heard your spot on NPR a couple weeks ago and have been trying to use your bread recipe. My question stems from the fact that I live in Phoenix so I was curious if the recipe should be tweaked at all due to the dry climate. One way that I can help you answer the question is that after the 3 day period for the apple water and after Day 1 my levain has risen and formed a crust over the top. I was able to salvage the dough underneath and add water and flour but not sure if I need to start over. Is the Levain supposed to watery or almost like a dough? From the start of Day 1 it has had a dough consistency. Again I am concerned about the dry air and possible excessive evaporation during the Apple water phase.
Dear Reader:
I would think that Phoenix in summer can certainly have an effect not only on your levain but on your dough, so you might need to increase the water. However, the levain does start out a little stiff. It will get thinner later, to the consistency of thick pancake batter. But it shouldn't be as stiff as dough. Add a little more water, and don't worry too much about the correct ratios as this point, as add the subsequent additions of equal parts (by weight) of flour and water will even things out in the end.
Good luck!
Funky Smell
I'm almost finished with the levain. My question is about the funky smell you mention. The undisturbed, bubbly levain has only a very faint, doughy aroma. But the gas trapped in the bubbles, while not unpleasant, is pungent and cidery. Since funky is in the eye of the beholder, I thought I'd ask your opinion. Thanks for a rollicking good time so far.
Dear Reader:
That's the alcohol in the bubbles you're smelling, and "pungent and cider" sounds perfect. Keep whipping in air and, with any luck, you're on your way - Bon appetit!
My First Peasant Bread Had Wonderful Holes...But
I followed your peasant bread recipe with my new scale, but the dough was too moist so I added more flour. The crust looks like the best bread and it had great holes,the only problem was the crumb in between the holes is tight, heavy, and slightly moist. I was given a very good starter for Fathers Day. So, not the perfect loaf yet but close. Impressive for the first one. I was at your reading in Portland, OR
Your booked opened a whole new world of bread making, I was in the inconsistent
rut of hit and miss. Thank You for the great book, I enjoyed your time in the
Abbaye Saint=Wandrille. Craig
Dear Reader:
Hi Craig,
That was a fun event in Portland. Re your bread, it's very possible that the dough *wasn't* too wet. Bakers today use much wetter doughs than, say, Fannie Farmer. That being said, opening up the crumb was the focus of much of my year of baking, so I know exactly what you're talking about (and unfortunately don't have an answer). As for the moistness, don't be afraid to bake the bread to a deep brown -- almost burned, and you can turn the oven off and leave the loaf in there for 20 minutes with the door cracked open for a bit. Also, try forming two batards, instead a boule. The thinner loaf and higher ratio of crust to crumb helps dry out the bread. But it sounds like not a bad start for your loaf with my recipe. -- Dr. Bill
Wild Yeas vs. pinch of dry yest starter
Dear William, I just enjoyed reading your book, congratulations! Clay oven is my next dream project.
I am originally form Ukraine and almost a year ago I started baking my own version of black Russian that I grew up eating. I use my own starter that I made from whole wheat flower or rye and water. I also added a pinch of dry yeast to it in the beginning. I guess it was cheating, but I really like the final product. Now after reading your book I started my own "honest" starter from black currants. It is the only fruit I have in my garden now. It got bubbles alright, but smells very different, not bad smell, but very different. I like my old starter better. Any ideas why it is so different? Or it is simply not matured yet? Also, can you recommend where I can find information of health benefits of using wild yeast vs. dry yeast kind.
And finally, I make my own cottage cheese and use left over whey instead of water. It is healthier and I read that it makes it bake more even. I can't discard anything, so if I have more starter, I use more starter and if I have left over oats from kids breakfast it goes into bread too.:-)
inna
Dear Reader:
Hi Inna,
Without smelling your starter, it's hard to say, but it does take a while (a month or so) for it to mature. Make sure to whip in plenty of air to favor yeast over bacteria. Give it a chance, and if you don't like it, stick with your old starter. I'll bet you there's more wild yeast in there than commercial at this point. I'm not aware of any health benefits of wild yeast vs. dry.
I love that you use the whey from homemade cottage cheese(!) in your bread and that you don't throw anything away. Thanks for the note.
Confused about use grams for liquids
Deaa William, I have made my starter and the dough is rising but you have me all confused!! Being the Dutch farmers daughter I thanbk you for your reply. I grew up with the metric system and I was pleased to see the use of grams. But when you used grams for liquid .......... I stopped. Liquid always goes in liters, deciliters or centiliters whith a small quantity and grams is for solid weight. On page 326 you say: 'take 75 gram of water and 75 gram of the flour mixture feeding the levain'. You use the same amount of weight but on page 328 you write: 'that same amount of water and flour( in a ratio of 3 parts water and 1 part flour)'. What am I missing? How can a ratio of 3:1 be the same as equal parts? Translating solid grams to liquid liters also is a problem, what system is being used here? Cheerio, Nicolien
Dear Reader:
Nocolien, I don't know what they teach about the metric system in the Netherlands, but 100 ml water weighs 100 grams. Sure, you can measure it by volume if you're more comfortable with that, but I guarantee you'll get more accurate results if you weight out 100 grams instead. You can weigh anything: solid, liquid, or gas.
Regarding the other question, I have to plead guilty to confusing wording. What I mean to say is to replace the gray water that accumulates on top of the starter with an approximately equivalent amount of the water/flour mixture that it consists of, which is about a 3:1 ratio. So if you pour off 40g on grey water, replace with 30g of water and 10g flour -- clear?
Glad to hear you made a successful starter -- you're halfway there!
wild yeast
can you also get "wild yeast" from the "haziness" on plums???
Dear Reader:
I would think so. I'd throw in like 3, split into quarter, and see what happens.
grape starter
Bill/William,I truly enjoyed your NPR interview! I am hoping on recieving your book for Fathers day.I would like to use grapes from my garden to get a starter going, can you give me advice on amount (weight) of grapes to begin with.I will then adapt to your apple starter recipe. Thank you, David
Dear Reader:
Thanks. Hope you got the Father's Day gift you deserve. As far as the grapes go, I'd throw in like three handfuls. The amount isn't critical, as you're going to discard them later anyway. Let me know how it works out.
pumpernickel bread recipe
Hi William,
I'm presently making a dark rye bread that calls for 1/2 cup of molasses and 1/4 cup of cocoa powder. Is it possible to lower these amounts and receive the same results that I have been getting for a perfect bread? Harris again!
Dear Reader:
You again, Harris? If this is a foreshadowing of what's going to happen when we all have free health care, we're gonna need a lot more doctors.
Anyway, I'm bailing out on you on this one. I've no idea. Perhaps you should consult a specialist. That being said...try it; what's the worst that can happen. Flour is cheap.
top falls in is back
Hi William,
I'm glad that you have nothing to do except answer questions from pains like us retired dad's.
I have reduced the yeast by a 1/4 tsp. How much more can I reduce it by and not compromise the results? I have always made my breads using King Arthur Flour. Harris
Dear Reader:
It's indeed a sad state of affairs. I need a life. Now, are you using KA bread machine flour, or all purpose? (Use the machine flour, if you're not). Try reducing the yeast by half of the original amount. But keep in mind you're taking advice (or not) from someone who (with all this idle time on his hands) never uses a bread machine (OK, so I used it once [chapter 38]), so take this all with a grain of salt. Or yeast. Or whatever....
top falls in is back
Hi William,
I appreciate your fast response, but I'm afraid that my daughter who now uses the Breadman would not be eating this healthy bread that she makes in my old machine if she had to hand knead it.
So, I'm back to the same question, why is the bread falling after the final rise, and it starts to bake and falls in, in the middle?
Dear Reader:
Bet if you gave her a copy of the book she would :) Kneading my way only takes 5 minutes!! (Less time than to clean the bread machine, but some people use the machine ONLY to knead, and bake the bread in the oven, which isn't a bad compromise.)
In any event, as much as it pains me to even attempt to diagnose bread machine problems,the bread doctor's Hippocratic oath requires him to treat all patients. So... Sounds like the bread is over-rising, so I'd cut back on the yeast and maybe use a really high-gluten flour like King Arthur bread flour if problems persist. (Now be a good dad and give your daughter a good read...even if she sticks with Mr. Breadman!)
Reviving levain
I enjoyed your interview on the Diane Rehm Show and appreciate your
interest in creating good bread; as compared with so many recent works
which offer bread that conforms to a modern hectic lifestyle. Your
efforts have rekindled my interest in a project from last fall. And
therein lies my question.
Back in the fall I acquired a small quantity of grapes from a local
organic vineyard and extracted a levain from it. A number of loaves
later the results were promising but far short of truly good bread.
Over the winter I stopped working with the levain and left it in the
refrigerator for several months. The color and texture has not
changed. Can this levain be revived? Can you offer suggestions on how
to do so? Is there a better method of storing levain when you are not
using it for more than a short time?
Dear Reader:
I suspect that if you haven't used your levain for a few months, it's dead. An easy test: add some flour and water and leave it out for a few hours. If you don't get any bubbling (or it smells foul), it's dead, so you'll need to start over (local grapes are a good way to start, btw). If you're not baking regularly, you need to feed the levain weekly or so (you may need to discard some first so you don't end up with a barrel of the stuff.
Now, I've heard that you can freeze it, but I've never tried that, so take with a grain of salt.
Dear Reader:
It kind of looks like the haze that appears on the inside of the windshield of your car (which is caused by outgassing of the plastics used in the interior). I suspect most apples, hazy or not, have wild yeast on them (as does the flour you'll be adding), but I feel better using one that has a visible haze.
Digital version
Is this book going to be released in a digital version, and if so when?
Dear Reader:
52 Loaves should, I've been told, be available in all popular digital formats (Kindle, Nook, and others) within a couple of weeks. Thanks for your patience!
How do I get black Russian bread darker?
My Black Russian bread comes out brown, but not as dark as I see in the store. Is Black Russian the same as Pumpernickel?
Dear Reader:
I believe that both of those breads (and I think black Russian is a little heavier than pump.) actually get their dark color from the addition of artificial coloring, which you certainly don't want to do at home. But you can make dark rye or pumpernickel at home by adding about a tablespoon of molasses and either a couple of teaspoons of liquid caramel coloring (or cocoa or coffee powder dissolved in a 2 tablespoons of water). Let me know if you succeed!
Dutch farmers daughter
Being a Dutch farmers daughter I remember my dad growing wheat, tasting it in the field to see if it was "ripe" for harvest. He even had seeds sprout on a plate with a wet tissue underneath and a plate on top again. He wanted to know how soon and how well the seed would grow. The harvest went to the miller where we could pick up part of the flour and sell the rest. He complained in the 60ties that the americvan grain was harder, dryer and thus cheaper since the miller got more flour from less wheat. So much of the Dutch grain went to the pigs and what have you.
I have lived in the USA now for 27 years and have always complained about their terrible breads as well as their bad coffee. Your voice on the Diane Rehm show came just in time since several breads I baked did not taste at all what I was looking for. Thanks, off to buy your book and start my own starter! Good luck. Nicolien
Dear Reader:
Hi Nicolien,
Thanks for the very enjoyable note. Your father is right: American grain (esp. from the northern plains) is much harder than European grain. Ironically, Europe now imports quite a bit of it, as some bakers over there prefer a harder flour. Now, regarding bread, I have a German friend who, when she tasted my bread, said, "Now this is the bread I remember!" so hopefully my recipes will evoke the same reaction from you.
Bon appetit!
top falls in
Hi William,
Enjoyed listening to you this morning on NPR and decided that you could fix my problem.
When I make a oatmeal wheat bread recipe in my Breadman machine everything looks great, but after the final rise and it start to bake the end result comes out with the bread falling down in the center.It bakes fine, but I cannot figure out why this happens all the time.
Dear Reader:
Your faith in me is humbling. But I'm wondering if you heard the part of the interview where I said to throw out the bread machine :) Just for kicks, try the same recipe, but without Mr. Breadman. After mixing the ingredients together, let it rest for a half hour before you begin kneading (or you can knead using the machine, then remove the dough for the fermentation and proofing steps). Bake in a loaf pan or free form on a pizza stone and see if it still falls.
mixer vs. kneading
Hi William, I've just fired my bread machine and want to learn to make bread by hand...no mixer. Is there a mixing time/knead time formula to follow for recipes that do not include instructions for hand kneading OR, is it all by feel? (And if so, what's the feel)?
Dear Reader:
Congratulations on liberating yourself from that lousy machine! Now, I hate to tell you this, but...the answers to hyour question are all in 52 Loaves. Just click on that little "Buy" link on the top of the page. (The short answer, it's a little of both, plus experience, which makes it sound harder than it is.)
Sourdough
Loved you interview on Dianne's show. Thanks! I have a 16 year old sourdough that I've made pizza dough with. Lately, I don't seem to notice any activity when I take it out to breath or make dough, regardless of whether I add flour, yeast, sugar, anything to it. It still makes a pretty good dough,but I'm wondering if it might be "dead", so to speak. Any ideas? I'm intrigued by the apple skin method of creating a starter and would like to know more about that as well.
Jim in Texas
Dear Reader:
Hi Jim,
Sounds to the bread doctor like the patient isn't breathing. I assume you're adding other leavening; otherwise if your breads are rising the sourdough isn't dead. If you want to make a new one, go to the "recipes" section and look up "building a levain." Ever better, read 52 Loaves, which has a full chapter on doing this.
Good luck!
attachments
This is not pertaining to artisian breads, but breads for a restaurant. When i started working here i was told to use the paddle attachement on all breads for our 60 qt hobart. Im educated enough in bread to know that all the paddle does to gluten is tear it apart. i would prefer to use the hook but cant seem to get it through their thick skulls. whats something i can tell them?
Dear Reader:
I'm afraid this question is out the bread doctor's area of specialty (home baking). But why let that stop me...I would suggest you propose doing a test: A small batch with the paddle, and one with the hook, and have all the employees do a blind tasting to see which one is best.
Wheat
What variety of wheat is best for making bread? Which seed supplier would this variety be available from?
Dear Reader:
You could ask 2 bakers that question and get 3 answers. I planted hard winter wheat, though apparently due to my soil conditions, the wheat turned out rather soft...but still made good bread. Some bakers prefer soft wheat, so it comes down to when you want to plant/harvest your wheat. You could still plant spring wheat now, for instance, while winter wheat isn't planted till the fall.
I can't help you with a source -- I just bought a couple of seed packets from a catalog...and it didn't even have the variety, just said "winter wheat."
But good luck with it! Highly suggest the read 52 LOAVES first, though. Lots of tips on doing this.
ciabatta
How wet is the dough for ciabatta bread? I struggle between wet enough to make big holes and firm enough to hold it's shape.
Dear Reader:
That struggle you describe pretty much sums it up. It's close to a gloppy dough, but I haven't made enough ciabatta to give you a hydration percentage. Using plenty of flour on the countertop as you shape the loaf (you kind of stretch it out and fold it back on itself) will help it hold its shape in the folds of a couche as it proofs. Then, get it into a *real* hot oven damn quick - it will flatten out some as it hits the stone, but then pop back up when the oven spring kicks in. If you're not getting holes, add more water next time. Weigh everything and keep a log till you get it right!
Starting a starter
I plan on creating my starter soon. I know that baking recipes are precise. How important is it to the survival of the starter to be exact with the ingredients? I always "eyeball" the ingredients when I make bread. I just want to insure my success.
Dear Reader:
To the survival of the starter, the ratio is not critical at all. But to later use the starter in recipes that assume your starter has 50% hydration level is another story. Since you say you want to insure you success, the only way to do that is to weigh the ingredients. So, you may as well get off on the right foot, get your scale now, and build your starter by weight, not eyes. On the right-hand side of my blog you will see a link to an inexpensive one that I recommend.
Ingredients
Greetings,
I just read the Poughkeepsie Journal article. You are my new hero! I am currently in the middle stages of my own bread baking quest. I have been cooking/baking since 1977. I owned/operated a pizzeria from 1988 until 2003. Now I bake at home for my family and friends. I am able to achieve fair/good results most of the time. Finding the right flour was my toughest challenge thus far. High gluten is what I like. Thank the baking Gods for King Arthur. Pizza dough is what I make mostly. Flat bread is another favorite of ours.Flat bread on a grill is awesome. I love peasant bread, however I can't even come close to making any. Now after reading your article, I will definately purchase your new book. I am newly inspired to expand my bread making tecniques. I also plan on getting a pizza oven some day. Either having one installed in our kitchen. Or the kind that sits outside.More time needs to be invested in research there. I have a pizza stone, but nothing produces the same results as a real stone cooking surface. Wood fired is my dream.
I also love a good craft beer, especially porters/stouts/IPA's. But I'm not ready to make my own just yet.
Cheers!
Michael
Dear Reader:
Thanks for the note, Michael. Oddly, I started with bread and have been gravitating towards pizza. Perhaps we'll pass each other midway. If you're near Poughkeepsie May 1, stop by the Artist's Palate at 4:00 for a taste of my peasant bread (plus other breads and olive oils).
rye bread
why do i get air pockets in loaves of bread after baking them
Dear Reader:
We should all be so lucky. I spent a good part of my baking year trying to get some gas pockets into my bread, and they're especially hard to achieve in heavier breads like your rye. These voids are the result of the anaerobic respiration of the yeast (the same action responsible for bread rising), which occurs while the bread is both fermenting and proofing (aka the second rise) and also during the first few minutes of baking when, in a process call "oven spring," the high temperature of the oven fuels the metabolism of the yeast, and they exhale like crazy in a furious frenzy.
Until they die.
Now, why do these gases sometimes produce an even rising and yield bread with the consistency of a sponge, and sometimes coalesce into pockets? Good question, and I wish I had a scientific answer. I have found that using a levain, or starter (or sourdough), will usually give you more air pockets, as will using a really hot oven, like 550 degrees for the first few minutes, but it changes from one loaf to the next, and I have to confess, it's a bit of a mystery to me.
Dear Reader:
Hmm...This sounds like a setup, but the doctor will answer, regardless. Three possibilities: 1) If you're me, you'll realize that this is yet another symptom of a failing mind, and get a humiliating mental status workup (Chapter 28: A Mind is a Terrible Thing to Waste); 2) You will have to eat a loaf of tasteless bread, which is so bad it won't even make decent toast; or 3) Congratulations! You just made a classic Pane Tuscano. You're a better baker than you think.
Storing bread
What's the best way to store homemade bread?
Dear Reader:
The best way to to eat it quickly, so you don't have to do. But if you must, leave it on the counter, cut down down, on a breadboard. Never wrap in plastic or place in the fridge, which hastens staling.